The Millennium, the 1000 years of Revelation 20...

[Checkpoint]

This thread stems from the following exchange between myself and Pinseeker:

PinSeeker wrote:

The millennium of Revelation 20 is not a future event. It was when Jeremiah prophesied, obviously, but is not anymore. Or, to be more exacting, it's no longer merely a future event.

Checkpoint asked:

Then why do so many believers think of it as yet future only?

Pinseeker explained:

For at least two reasons, I think:

1. A basic misunderstanding of Revelation as a whole, and the Millennium of chapter 20 included.

2. Many believers (primarily western believers) have bought into the heresy of the "rapture," which came about in the early 19th century. It's not that they are heretics, it's just that that's all they've ever been exposed to.

That's one take from one school of thought.

Your take may be similar or be completely different.

Please share it here, and tell us why you hold that position.

[JehovahsWitness]

The Word is an immortal spiritual bodied being.

The Word was made flesh as the man Jesus Christ.

What do you think it means "Word was made flesh"?

And they don't mix

If The word is "an immortal spiritual bodied being" How can an immortal spiritual bodied being be made into a flesh and blood man?

There is no hybrid spiritual/natural bodied mentioned in the Bible.

... they don't mix

So immortal spiritual bodied being CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man? Don't you rather believe a completely new being , a second one , that had never existed before the first century, was created from scratch to be a man ?

Making TWO beings, one in heaven and one on earth?!

Two beings.

The spiritual bodied Word and the natural bodied Jesus.

... they don't mix

JW

[tam]

Peace to you!

[Replying to post 242 by myth-one.com]

If the Word is immortal and Jesus was flesh, then there were two separate beings.

One being - but two forms (two bodies).




I could be misunderstanding what you have been trying to say, but Christ is the same being (the same person) from the beginning until now (and for all time).



He has always been the Word of God; the Light; the Life (the Tree of Life); He is also Wisdom (written about in proverbs 8), the Amen, the Son of God. He was still these things when in the flesh - or else He could not have said that He was the Light, or the Life, while in the flesh.


"I am the Light of the world." John 8:12

"I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life." John 14:6




I'm not sure if you are trying to say something different than that?



Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy

[myth-one.com]

One is immortal and one could die.

So why did the flesh and blood man say he existed before Abraham? How can this be true when he wasn't even 40 years old?

Did He say what He existed as before Abraham?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 242 by myth-one.com]

Why did the flesh and blood man say he enjoyed glory "before the world existed"?

JOHN 17:5

Father, glorify me in your presence with that glory I had with you before the world existed.

How can this be true when he wasn't even 40 years old?

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

The glory of earthly bodies is different from the glory of heavenly bodies.

Jesus is simply yearning for the good old days.

[JehovahsWitness]

One is immortal and one could die.

So why did the flesh and blood man say he existed before Abraham? How can this be true when he wasn't even 40 years old?

Did He say what He existed as before Abraham?

He said

JOHN 17:5

Father, glorify me in your presence with that glory I had with you before the world existed.

Are you suggested Abraham is older than the world?

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus is simply yearning for the good old days.

How could he yearn for the good old days? He didn't EXIST in the good old days!!

[myth-one.com]

What do you think it means "Word was made flesh"?

The man Jesus Christ was the result.

If The word is "an immortal spiritual bodied being" How can an immortal spiritual bodied being be made into a flesh and blood man?

Only God knows.

So immortal spiritual bodied beings CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man?

Sure they can. The Word was made flesh -- see above.

Don't you rather believe a completely new being , a second one , that had never existed before the first century, was created from scratch to be a man ?

Yes, the Word made flesh -- Jesus Christ.

Making TWO beings, one in heaven and one on earth?!

Making two beings.

Jesus is on the earth, the Word is everywhere.

[myth-one.com]

Jesus is simply yearning for the good old days.

How could he yearn for the good old days? He didn't EXIST in the good old days!!

That's correct! Congratulations!

Perhaps He, God, and the Word are somehow in communication with each other.

[tam]

Peace to you!

Jesus is simply yearning for the good old days.

How could he yearn for the good old days? He didn't EXIST in the good old days!!

That's correct! Congratulations!

Perhaps He, God, and the Word are somehow in communication with each other.

But He (Christ) is the Word.



Peace again to you.

[JehovahsWitness]

So immortal spiritual bodied beings CANNOT be made into a flesh and blood man?

Sure they can .... -- see above

So you are saying that "the Word became flesh" is an example of an immortal spiritual bodied being being made into a flesh and blood human?

So, When The Word was made into a flesh and blood human, where did The Word (in flesh and blood form) live after the word was made into a flesh and blood human? Did anybody see The WORD after he (The Word) was made a flesh and blood human?




JW