How would you react.........

[JJ50]

…...........if it could be proved beyond any shadow of doubt no god or afterlife exist, when you die you are no more?

I would be relieved that once my life is over that is it, end of story. I am of the opinion that is the case, but of course there is the outside possibility I am wrong.

I have asked this question on forums before, often the reaction from devout believers is that god/afterlife exist and there is no other possibility.

Over to you.

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 29 by 2ndRateMind]

If even Christian criminals perpetrate injustice, and commit crime, and are broken sinners, despite proximate earthly justice systems,

And despite their belief in a god and an afterlife and a reckoning...you left that out.

Only because I thought it self-evident, in no need of spelling out in words of few syllables.

The proposal of an afterlife is not a silver bullet, doing away with vampires and all other evils with a single shot, more a social influence, more relevant to some than others. And I am perfectly content to leave it that way.

Best wishes, 2RM.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 29 by 2ndRateMind]

If even Christian criminals perpetrate injustice, and commit crime, and are broken sinners, despite proximate earthly justice systems,

And despite their belief in a god and an afterlife and a reckoning...you left that out.

Only because I thought it self-evident, in no need of spelling out in words of few syllables.

The proposal of an afterlife is not a silver bullet, doing away with vampires and all other evils with a single shot, more a social influence, more relevant to some than others. And I am perfectly content to leave it that way.

Best wishes, 2RM.

So now you agree with me perfectly. Shall I consider this a retraction of what you said in post #9? Was there ever a connection between the non-existence of an afterlife and an automatic desire for power and wealth?

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 29 by 2ndRateMind]

If even Christian criminals perpetrate injustice, and commit crime, and are broken sinners, despite proximate earthly justice systems,

And despite their belief in a god and an afterlife and a reckoning...you left that out.

Only because I thought it self-evident, in no need of spelling out in words of few syllables.

The proposal of an afterlife is not a silver bullet, doing away with vampires and all other evils with a single shot, more a social influence, more relevant to some than others. And I am perfectly content to leave it that way.

Best wishes, 2RM.

So now you agree with me perfectly. Shall I consider this a retraction of what you said in post #9? Was there ever a connection between the non-existence of an afterlife and an automatic desire for power and wealth?

Ha Ha! I am glad you think we agree on that, at least. But in respect of my post #9, my position on the afterlife is that it is not just a fireside armchair conjecture, but also a reality. Hope that clarifies.

As for wealth and power, I do think the striving for such is the default position, especially amongst human males, who need to win and keep their mates. And clearly we cannot all be wealthy and powerful simultaneously, and if we are, that sets off a whole arms race towards more wealth and more power, with all the devastatingly destructive impacts on the environment we are just beginning to realise.

Best wishes, 2RM.

[Tcg]

But in respect of my post #9, my position on the afterlife is that it is not just a fireside armchair conjecture, but also a reality.

Religion wouldn't provide it's followers the death denial they find comforting if they didn't pretend that afterlife is a reality. This pretense of course doesn't prove the afterlife is a reality, but rather reveals the function religion was created to provide.



Tcg

[2ndRateMind]

But in respect of my post #9, my position on the afterlife is that it is not just a fireside armchair conjecture, but also a reality.

Religion wouldn't provide it's followers the death denial they find comforting if they didn't pretend that afterlife is a reality. This pretense of course doesn't prove the afterlife is a reality, but rather reveals the function religion was created to provide.

Hmmm. Has it ever occurred to you, my dear Tcg, that you are not explaining things, just explaining things away?

Best wishes, 2RM.

[Tcg]

But in respect of my post #9, my position on the afterlife is that it is not just a fireside armchair conjecture, but also a reality.

Religion wouldn't provide it's followers the death denial they find comforting if they didn't pretend that afterlife is a reality. This pretense of course doesn't prove the afterlife is a reality, but rather reveals the function religion was created to provide.

Has it ever occurred to you, my dear Tcg, that you are not explaining things, but explaining things away?

Presenting the function of religion is quite simply explaining reality. If explaining reality cause some to lose something, they had nothing real to lose. Whatever it is they think is at risk by evaluating reality can be retained by ignoring the clear explanation of the function of religion.



Tcg

[2ndRateMind]

But in respect of my post #9, my position on the afterlife is that it is not just a fireside armchair conjecture, but also a reality.

Religion wouldn't provide it's followers the death denial they find comforting if they didn't pretend that afterlife is a reality. This pretense of course doesn't prove the afterlife is a reality, but rather reveals the function religion was created to provide.

Has it ever occurred to you, my dear Tcg, that you are not explaining things, but explaining things away?

...Presenting the function of religion is quite simply explaining reality...

So, do cause and purpose have no place in your ideology?

Best wishes, 2RM.

[rikuoamero]

[Replying to post 33 by 2ndRateMind]

As for wealth and power, I do think the striving for such is the default position, especially amongst human males, who need to win and keep their mates.

Not this human male. Are you speaking about yourself?

[kcplusdc@yahoo.com]

I would think that regardless if I can experience it or not there will be an after life of some sort for me. Nature will recycle my parts and they will show up again in other manifestations here on earth or else where. Thats just the way it works.
Personally, I believe that an after life as narrowly defined as heavan or hell, is not something I need worry about. Gods okay with me leaving his realm of existance to him. I dont seek to define the idea, believe in it, or act in a fashion that would help my potential status if it were true.
I try to be happy with what i got and that keeps me busy, mainly because i tend to get in my own way.
God doesnt require me to speak out of my neck. Better to say i have no idea and Believers can step to that as tjey seem fit.

[Zzyzx]

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As for wealth and power, I do think the striving for such is the default position, especially amongst human males, who need to win and keep their mates.

Not this human male. Are you speaking about yourself?

Another human male here who does not lust for power or wealth.

Additionally, I learned a long time ago the great advantages in being mate-free.