The fallacy of word play

[Zzyzx]

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Some attempting to defend the flood tale as describing a local flood claim that the term earth is intended to mean ground. For their benefit, the following quotation replaces 'earth' with 'ground' in the Genesis statement.

Genesis 6:11 Now the ground was corrupt in God's sight, and the ground was filled with violence. 12 And God saw the ground, and behold, it was corrupt, for all flesh had corrupted their way on the ground. 13 And God said to Noah, I have determined to make an end of all flesh, for the ground is filled with violence through them. Behold, I will destroy them with the ground.

Does that make sense?

Is it rational to play with words in an attempt to make ancient tales sound plausible?

Why employ such tactics if the tales are true?

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Is it rational to play with words in an attempt to make ancient tales sound plausible?

Luckily in this case word play is not necessary. In some translations the word is earth and the meaning is explained here:

God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:10

[Zzyzx]

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Is it rational to play with words in an attempt to make ancient tales sound plausible?

Luckily in this case word play is not necessary. In some translations the word is earth and the meaning is explained here:

God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters he called Seas. God saw that it was good.
Genesis 1:10

Let's consider -- Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does is make sense to revise that to read: Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the ground and it grieved him at his heart.

[JehovahsWitness]

Let's consider -- Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does is make sense to revise that to read: Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the ground and it grieved him at his heart.

GENESIS 6:6

New Living Translation
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

Good News Translation
he was sorry that he had ever made them and put them on the earth. . He was so filled with regret

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QUESTION: How can a perfect God "repent"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 645#895645

[Zzyzx]

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Let's consider -- Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does is make sense to revise that to read: Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the ground and it grieved him at his heart.

It means regretted he had made humans.

Did Genesis 6:6 convey that 'God' made humans on the planet Earth?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 14 by Zzyzx]

See edit above.


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GENESIS 6:6 in what sense did God REGRET/REPENT making man ?
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GENESIS 6:6 in what sense did God make man "ON THE EARTH" ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 223#972223

GENESIS 6:11 how was the predeluge earth ruined ?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 070#972070

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 1 by Zzyzx]

LAND or EARTH (OR GROUND) ?

The Hebrew word erets can be in various ways including as "ground" "land" or "earth" as in the entire planet.

ERETS:

1. a earth, whole earth ([as opposed] to a part) . . . b. earth, [as opposed] to heaven, sky . . . c. earth=inhabitants of earth . . . 2. land=a. country, territory . . . b. district, region . . . 3. a. ground, surface of ground . . . b. soil, as productive. - A Hebrew and English Lexicon of the Old Testament (Gesenius, Brown, Driver, and Briggs; 1951)

The earth in the largest sense, both the habitable and uninhabitable parts; with some accompanying word of limitation, it is used of some portion of the earths surface, a land or country. - Old Testament Word Studies by William Wilson says of erets

So depending on the contexts erets can among other things, be refering to the entire planet earth ( 2 Kings 19:15), a portion of the planet ie a particular region or territory (Genesis 10:11) or more rarely the ground/soil ie the surface of the dry earth (Ruth 2:10). It is also used figuratively to refer to people's and populations. There is no scriptural reason to limit erets systematically to refer a small region of the planet (or to the land of Israel) indeed note the following



LINK: Word Study
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 441#872441

CONCLUSION:

The Hebrew word can refer to in a number of things one of which is the planet earth ie the globe

For FURTHER READING on usage see LINKS ...
https://www.bibletools.org/index.cfm/fu ... /erets.htm
https://biblehub.com/hebrew/776.htm



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[Zzyzx]

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Let's consider -- Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does is make sense to revise that to read: Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the ground and it grieved him at his heart.

GENESIS 6:6

New Living Translation
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

Good News Translation
he was sorry that he had ever made them and put them on the earth. . He was so filled with regret

Why do you inject different Bible versions?

I quoted the King James Version " most preferred Bible in the US. Thirty-one percent use this version. The New Living Translation is preferred by two percent and the Good News Translation is preferred by one percent or less.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/299 ... rsion-usa/

All of the versions, however, have God regretting making man (or putting man) on the Earth (presumably meaning the planet Earth " not the ground / land / soil).

Wait a minute, Genesis 2:7 says Then the Lord God formed a man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being

Thus, God supposedly makes man from dust of the ground (presumably on planet Earth) then later admits making a mistake (doing something he regrets doing).

[Danmark]

Let's consider -- Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

Does is make sense to revise that to read: Genesis 6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the ground and it grieved him at his heart.

GENESIS 6:6

New Living Translation
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

Good News Translation
he was sorry that he had ever made them and put them on the earth. . He was so filled with regret

This argument misses the much larger point that God "regretted' making man so much, he decided to drown every last one of them. Then he did yet another 'bout face and decided he'd save one single family.
This reminds me of Lewis Carrol's 'The Walrus and the Carpenter' where, while crying bitter tears about their passing, they eat all the oysters.

"'I weep for you,' the Walrus said:
I deeply sympathize.'
With sobs and tears he sorted out
Those of the largest size,
Holding his pocket-handkerchief
Before his streaming eyes.

O Oysters,' said the Carpenter,
You've had a pleasant run!
Shall we be trotting home again?'
But answer came there none "
And this was scarcely odd, because
They'd eaten every one."

But back to the central point of the OP,
There is nothing that confirms my unbelief more than the absurd lengths believers go to in order to attempt to justify the horrible actions and lame logic of the Bible.

[Zzyzx]

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There is nothing that confirms my unbelief more than the absurd lengths believers go to in order to attempt to justify the horrible actions and lame logic of the Bible.

These debates certainly bring out the 'absurd lengths believers go' in attempts to defend Bible stories. I try to do my part in encouraging such demonstrations -- and trust that they are illuminating for readers.

Word play, one of the more blatant tricks used, is saying in effect, "The Bible doesn't mean what it says (or say what it means), it means what I want it to mean" (even if I have to re-define words).

[JehovahsWitness]

All of the versions, however, have God regretting making man [....]Thus, God supposedly makes man from dust of the ground (presumably on planet Earth) then later admits making a mistake (doing something he regrets doing).

GENESIS 6:6

New Living Translation
So the LORD was sorry he had ever made them and put them on the earth. It broke his heart.

Good News Translation
he was sorry that he had ever made them and put them on the earth. He was so filled with regret

GENESIS 6:6 in what sense did God REGRET/REPENT making man ?
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