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Ordered to worship?

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Ordered to worship?

In a current thread regarding commandments, part of one of my posts was:
If a person or entity COMMANDS people to worship it, that person or entity is decidedly NOT worthy of respect, let alone worship.

Worship me and be rewarded or refuse and be punished (after you die) is coercion

You have free will to worship me or not, but if you dont youll be going to hell (or whatever threat)

In my world, respect is EARNED. not demanded or commanded.
What say you?
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You can compare the case with a doctor ... I think someone did that before.

If you think you are a healthy person probably you won't go to a doctor ... If you think you are sick you go and see one. The doctor prescribe a treatment and now you got the prescription and presumably the cure, but you have two alternatives: you follow your doctor instructions or you don't.

Your decision to accept and follow the doctor's instructions does not influence on his qualification or moral. Your decision will only affect your health.

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Eloi wrote: You can compare the case with a doctor
Does the doctor demand to be worshiped?
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Does God demand that from you? :shock:

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Re: Ordered to worship?

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Zzyzx wrote: .
Ordered to worship?

In a current thread regarding commandments, part of one of my posts was:
If a person or entity COMMANDS people to worship it, that person or entity is decidedly NOT worthy of respect, let alone worship.

Worship me and be rewarded or refuse and be punished (after you die) is coercion

You have free will to worship me or not, but if you dont youll be going to hell (or whatever threat)

In my world, respect is EARNED. not demanded or commanded.
What say you?
Excellent point.

My parents were God-fearing Christians who believed they - and therefore I - were born as Hell-bound sinners with only one hope of Redemption through the grace and majesty of the sacrifice of the Lord Jesus Christ, and constant obedience to every commandment (sort of) to avoid the eternal flames of Hell.

Pretending for a moment that the genocidal Jehovah and the soon-to-be genocidal Jesus are real, I would find their commandment to worship them exceedingly offensive, and would much rather seek more pleasant versions of "God" to pretend I believed in.
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Again ... to Zzyzx: Does God demand/order being "worshiped" from you?

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Eloi wrote: You can compare the case with a doctor ... I think someone did that before.

If you think you are a healthy person probably you won't go to a doctor ... If you think you are sick you go and see one. The doctor prescribe a treatment and now you got the prescription and presumably the cure, but you have two alternatives: you follow your doctor instructions or you don't.

Your decision to accept and follow the doctor's instructions does not influence on his qualification or moral. Your decision will only affect your health.
According to the mythology, if one refuses to worship God, in the end he will affect your health and very negatively. Any doctor who would punish a patient for not following their instructions would be considered a psychopath. Any God who would do so should be placed in the same category.


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Again ... to Zzyzx: Does God demand/order being "worshiped" from you?
This thread started on a point: the claim that God is ordering/demanding everybody to worship Him. Is this thread about any mythological god demanding something? Is this thread talking about the God in the Bible? ... the hindu gods? ... any other god/gods?

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Eloi wrote: Does God demand/order being "worshiped" from you?
Immaterial to the OP

In spite of your attempts to personalize the thread, the focus is upon commanded / demanded worship " not on any individual. Try to discuss the topic rather than individuals.
Eloi wrote: This thread started on a point: the claim that God is ordering/demanding everybody to worship Him.
Correction: This thread started with a QUESTION and makes NO mention of everybody
Eloi wrote: Is this thread about any mythological god demanding something?
The god who supposedly issued the commonly referred to Commandments is considered mythological by some and as real by others.

Either way, the OP deals with a demand for worship (whether by a real entity or an imaginary entity " or an imaginary doctor).
Eloi wrote: Is this thread talking about the God in the Bible? ... the hindu gods? ... any other god/gods?
For the benefit of those who are unfamiliar with the concept: The Ten Commandments (known as The Decalogue) from Jewish literature include:
I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

You shall have no other gods before me.

You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the seventh day is a sabbath to the Lord your God; in it you shall not do any work, you, or your son, or your daughter, your manservant, or your maidservant, or your cattle, or the sojourner who is within your gates; for in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day and hallowed it.
Those who choose to respect and/or worship a real or imaginary entity under threat are welcome to do so.
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Thanks for "specifying" ( mmh) what is this thread about ... some god that may be any god that someone (and this means anybody who thinks so) thinks his god is demanding to be worshiped from him, in some unespecified way, and he wants to explain to you that all that escene that you are making up about certain god is a "real" thing and it deserved to be talked about, cause you are sooo sure that is the way you say and the one who will respond to your claim is soooo sure that you are right cause that happens in his own case ... and ...

Interesting thread (?). See you in the next one.

Have a good day.

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