Why does Jesus die so quickly on the cross?

[Daddieslittlehelper]

Some people argue that Jesus was not on the cross long enought to actually have died as it takes days to die from cruxifiction.

Yet actually if you listen to what Jesus says: He says

John 10.17 The Father loves me, because I lay down my life in order to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.

And interestingly on the cross Jesus says just before he dies
John 19.30 Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit.

So it appears It was not the cross that killed Jesus actually he had the power to give up his life when ever he wanted to, and also take his life back up again also.

This certainly could explain why Jesus dies so quickly on the cross. As he could give up his spirit whenever he wanted to.

And it's interesting some say that Jesus says "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" To referrence the suffering servant but actually he is starting to sing the 22 psalm

1My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from helping me, and from the words of my groaning?

2My God, I cry in the daytime, but you don't answer; in the night season, and am not silent.

3But you are holy, you who inhabit the praises of Israel.

4Our fathers trusted in you. They trusted, and you delivered them.

5They cried to you, and were delivered. They trusted in you, and were not disappointed.

6But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised by the people.

7All those who see me mock me. They insult me with their lips. They shake their heads, saying,

8"He trusts in Yahweh; let him deliver him. Let him rescue him, since he delights in him." Matt 27.42

9But you brought me out of the womb. You made me trust at my mother's breasts.

10I was thrown on you from my mother's womb. You are my God since my mother bore me. luke 1

11Don't be far from me, for trouble is near. For there is none to help.

12Many bulls have surrounded me. Strong bulls of Bashan have encircled me.

13They open their mouths wide against me, lions tearing prey and roaring.

14I am poured out like water. All my bones are out of joint. My heart is like wax; it is melted within me. (john 19.34)

15My strength is dried up like a potsherd. My tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth. You have brought me into the dust of death.

16For dogs have surrounded me. A company of evildoers have enclosed me. They have pierced my hands and feet.

17I can count all of my bones. They look and stare at me.

18They divide my garments among them. They cast lots for my clothing. (john 19.24)

19But don't be far off, Yahweh. You are my help: hurry to help me.

20Deliver my soul from the sword, my precious life from the power of the dog.

21Save me from the lion's mouth! Yes, from the horns of the wild oxen, you have answered me.

22I will declare your name to my brothers. In the midst of the assembly, I will praise you. John 17.6

23You who fear Yahweh, praise him! All you descendants of Jacob, glorify him! Stand in awe of him, all you descendants of Israel!

24For he has not despised nor abhorred the affliction of the afflicted, Neither has he hidden his face from him; but when he cried to him, he heard.

25Of you comes my praise in the great assembly. I will pay my vows before those who fear him.

26The humble shall eat and be satisfied. They shall praise Yahweh who seek after him. Let your hearts live forever.

27All the ends of the earth shall remember and turn to Yahweh. All the relatives of the nations shall worship before you.

28For the kingdom is Yahweh's. He is the ruler over the nations. matt 24.14

29All the rich ones of the earth shall eat and worship. All those who go down to the dust shall bow before him, even he who can't keep his soul alive.

30 Posterity shall serve him. Future generations shall be told about the Lord.

31They shall come and shall declare his righteousness to a people that shall be born, for he has done it.

Any thoughts?

[marco]

What Jesus calls life, is not what you do.

And who's to blame for that misunderstanding? The first lesson a teacher learns is to explain yourself properly. I've already seen the word good used in a complex way. And way itself is far from simple. Take spirit and you are drunk with confusion for it differs, it seems, from the soul. Death of course never means death - so what hope have we of understanding life - especially the eternal kind?

[myth-one.com]

What Jesus calls life, is not what you do.

And who's to blame for that misunderstanding? The first lesson a teacher learns is to explain yourself properly. I've already seen the word good used in a complex way. And way itself is far from simple. Take spirit and you are drunk with confusion for it differs, it seems, from the soul. Death of course never means death - so what hope have we of understanding life - especially the eternal kind?

"Ye shall not surely die."

Satan spoke that lie, and most Christians jumped on his wagon.

Since we live forever, we must live somewhere. Christians proclaim they spend eternity in heaven while all others burn in hell forever.

And death cannot mean death because we live forever.

This is how God seals the scriptures from man's understanding:


And the vision of all is become unto you as the words of a book that is sealed, which men deliver to one that is learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I cannot for it is sealed: (Isaiah 29:11)

When will the words of the book be unsealed and why:







But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. (Daniel 12:4)

If one can accept that there are two type of bodies, natural (physical) and spiritual:


And that physical beings die while spiritual beings live eternally, then one can read and understand the scriptures!

[JLB32168]

Some people argue that Jesus was not on the cross long enought to actually have died as it takes days to die from crucifixion.

After five minutes, brain cells begin to die of anoxia or lack of oxygen. The reason it took days to die was that the body will fight to keep breathing – pressing upwards on a foot rest to make sure the diaphragm is able to breathe. If one’s legs are giving out, suffocation is much easier. The length of time Christ would have lived when crucified would depend upon how strong his legs were. Of course, this doesn’t consider the supernatural and how Christ was apparently able to die at will.

If suicide is a sin, then Jesus could not commit suicide and be our Savior.

If suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death then Christ didn't commit suicide - which is etymologically "self-murder." He was crucified/executed by another party.

[JehovahsWitness]

After five minutes, brain cells begin to die of anoxia or lack of oxygen. The reason it took days to die was that the body will fight to keep breathing – pressing upwards on a foot rest to make sure the diaphragm is able to breathe. If one’s legs are giving out, suffocation is much easier. The length of time Christ would have lived when crucified would depend upon how strong his legs were.

Stand on a support. Hold your hands out to the sides, horizonal to your body and tell me how long it would take for your to "suffocate".

A man on a cross would NOT suffocate to death, with or without a suppedaneum (a wooden block to support the feet, helping a victim stay supported on a cross/stauros ); Death by crucifixtion alone would take several days (victim dying of exposure, thirst, infection, bloodloss, shock etc). Frederick T. Zugibe, Adjunct Associate Professor of Pathology at Colombia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
www.crucifixion-shroud.com/Turin2000.htm

[Yahu]

It does seem strange that a healthy thirty-something died so fast. In fact it seems suspicious and casts doubts on the whole business.

Have you considered the blood loss He suffered from the lashing and crown of thorns? Of course He died fairly fast. He couldn't even carry His cross.

[JehovahsWitness]

Why did he die so quickly? Because he had been greatly weakened by hours of torture and his body simply could not take any more.

Nice, but that statement contradicts what Jesus actaully says about himself.

And what statement was that exactly? Please clarify.


JW

[Daddieslittlehelper]

Still misses the point. That Jesus could give up his spirit whenever he wanted to.

Define "give up his spirit whenever he wanted to."

If suicide is a sin, then Jesus could not commit suicide and be our Savior.

18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again.

This command I received from my Father.

Having the power to leave your psyical body, is hardly susicide.

But even if you want to cliam is was, Jesus did as His father commanded him- therefore it cannot be a sin.

[Daddieslittlehelper]

Some people argue that Jesus was not on the cross long enought to actually have died as it takes days to die from crucifixion.

After five minutes, brain cells begin to die of anoxia or lack of oxygen. The reason it took days to die was that the body will fight to keep breathing – pressing upwards on a foot rest to make sure the diaphragm is able to breathe. If one’s legs are giving out, suffocation is much easier. The length of time Christ would have lived when crucified would depend upon how strong his legs were. Of course, this doesn’t consider the supernatural and how Christ was apparently able to die at will.

If suicide is a sin, then Jesus could not commit suicide and be our Savior.

If suicide is the act of intentionally causing one's own death then Christ didn't commit suicide - which is etymologically "self-murder." He was crucified/executed by another party.

True life is spiritual, not psyical!

[marco]

It does seem strange that a healthy thirty-something died so fast. In fact it seems suspicious and casts doubts on the whole business.

Have you considered the blood loss He suffered from the lashing and crown of thorns? Of course He died fairly fast. He couldn't even carry His cross.

Yes, we can wheel out possible reasons for his quick death. The Romans detailed to carry out the execution were certainly no humanitarians. One victim was as bad as the next to them. The two thieves would not, one expects, have been accorded delicate treatment. It was usual for prisoners to carry the horizontal part of the cross, strapped to their shoulders, so I suppose the other two were required to do this.

If Jesus led a life studying it may be that he was of a delicate disposition. We don't know anything about the physical Christ. We can throw down reasons here, 2000 years away, but perhaps the best thing to do is accept Pilate's surprise that he died so fast. That seems a reasonable reaction - and he was well aware of what a crucifixion meant.

[JehovahsWitness]

Stand on a support. Hold your hands out to the sides, horizonal to your body and tell me how long it would take for your to "suffocate".

A man on a cross would NOT suffocate to death, with or without a suppedaneum (a wooden block to support the feet, helping a victim stay supported on a cross/stauros ); Death by crucifixtion alone would take several days (victim dying of exposure, thirst, infection, bloodloss, shock etc). Frederick T. Zugibe, Adjunct Associate Professor of Pathology at Colombia University College of Physicians and Surgeons.
www.crucifixion-shroud.com/Turin2000.htm

FURTHER READING

Experiments to Test the Validity of the Asphyxiation Theory.
http://www.crucifixion-shroud.com/Barbet.htm
https://www.themoorings.org/Jesus/cruci ... death.html
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/inde ... 114AAbT5ki




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