According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend.

[Zzyzx]

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According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend. What’s the big deal?

What is the ‘sacrifice’ in a supposedly eternal being giving up a weekend being ‘dead’?

An 'omnipotent god' (or part thereof, or whatever is claimed) would presumably know that the 'death' was extremely temporary -- just a few hours (less than 48 according to the tale).

[Divine Insight]

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According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend. What’s the big deal?

What is the ‘sacrifice’ in a supposedly eternal being giving up a weekend being ‘dead’?

An 'omnipotent god' (or part thereof, or whatever is claimed) would presumably know that the 'death' was extremely temporary -- just a few hours (less than 48 according to the tale).

The whole thing is totally absurd and irrational.

To begin with if Jesus was God and God had died then who brought God back to life again? And If Jesus wasn't 100% God as the Christians claim, then Christianity is based on polytheism and not monotheism.

Also, since when is the wages of sin temporary death followed by eternal life in heaven? Isn't that every Christian's dream?

Jesus got the reward of saints, he most certainly didn't pay the wages of sin.

The whole theology is so clearly false that the fact that anyone still attempts to defend it as though it should be taken seriously is truly ridiculous. It's a disgrace to the intelligence of humanity that so many humans are still trying to defend these ancient fables as though they could be true. All they are doing is proving that we have indeed evolved from primates and that many humans have simply not progressed much from primal ways of thinking.

[ttruscott]

As for "destroying death", humans before him died and after him continued to die. Not an iota was changed by Christ's drama.

HIS death did not end death and was not supposed to do that. The end of death does not mean no one will ever die again, but that they will be resurrected to never die again. All sinners die, mostly. Death will end with the repentance unto holiness of the last sinful elect since that will allow the judgement to proceed and all those condemned already will be banished, allowing those remaining to live in a holy, loving relationship with their GOD and with each other with no return to the time of sin and suffering. Apparently not all such sanctified saints will die a bodily death as some will translate straight to spiritual life but most will experience bodily death as a last threshold of leaving sin, suffering and death behind forever.

If the end is slow in coming, we must blame the stubbornness of the unsanctified elect sinners and our frailty so to speak that if the process of our sanctification is slow, it is perfectly timed for our individual success.

For the damned, death never ends,
For the sanctified elect, death never returns, not by His death but by the judgement day and the resurrection.
His death satisfied the legal condemnation of all sinners to eternal death so those under HIS promise of salvation, ie, election, need not be banished to the outer darkness.

[Zzyzx]

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According to the tales, Jesus gave up a weekend. What’s the big deal?
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By what I have read, Jesus gave his whole life on earth for people, because he used his life to preach and teach people to find God’s kingdom and the Gospel.

By what I have read, Jesus was a laborer until about age thirty, at which time he changed occupations and became a wandering preacher. In a short time he irritated religious and civil authorities enough to be executed as a criminal.

According to tales told decades or generations later, he (or his corpse) spent a few hours in a tomb then miraculously reanimated and ‘appeared’ to people.

If he was / is, as claimed, an eternal supernatural entity (or part thereof), a few hours (less than 48) spent ‘dead’ in a tomb would be an insignificant interval for an ‘eternal’ entity.

The supposed suffering associated with execution was far less than many people experience.

Again, what’s the big deal?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 23 by Zzyzx]

I think your statement bears retelling:
Jesus was a common laborer until he realized the real money was in evangelism.
In a short time he had committed several blasphemies against the then-Judaic religion meriting death: Abrogating the punishment for adultery (or for bearing false witness), stating the pagan god Caesar and his pagan government should be supported by the Judists, and utilizing coins with the graven images of pagan gods for debts and taxes.

Though, according to some, this and other exploits were dreams by people he never met.

No matter what, this supernatural entity suffered far less than many, and presumably had better capability to endure suffering than mortal men, and did so for a brief time.

What’s the big deal?

[ttruscott]

The supposed suffering associated with execution was far less than many people experience. Again, what’s the big deal?

The amount of suffering as a measure His accomplishment is a strawhorse, meaningless to the theology.

The big deal is 1. who died and suffered, not how much, and 2. the intention and the result of His suffering and death.

[JehovahsWitness]

since when is the wages of sin temporary death followed by eternal life in heaven?

Since you seem to be quoting scripture, may I ask does the bible say "The wages of sin is everlasting death"?

[Willum]

I think the REAL reason God can forgive any sin is that there is no sin man could do, that God has not done worse and more. He has no right to condemn Hitler, when He has drowned a 99% innocent planet. He can’t condemn anyone for lies when he is guilty of murder.
Jesus is a non-sequitur.

since when is the wages of sin temporary death followed by eternal life in heaven?

Since you seem to be quoting scripture, may I ask does the bible say "The wages of sin is everlasting death"?

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[Divine Insight]

Since you seem to be quoting scripture, may I ask does the bible say "The wages of sin is everlasting death"?

Have you read the stories of Jesus?

Matthew 25:46 And these (the unrighteous) shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Some Christian apologists argue that the reference to "everlasting punishment" simply means permanent death. Especially for the Christian apologists who are desperate to renounce the concept of hell.

But even those who demand that hell is a real place of eternal torment, this still requires that it be everlasting.

So if you don't like the idea of everlasting death, or the idea of an everlasting hell, you'll need to take that up with Jesus, or at least with the authors who claim that Jesus made these decrees.

So yes, this theology is absolute nonsense. Let there be no doubt about it.

Also, if Jesus was supposed to be paying the wages of the unrighteous, then by his own decree he would have needed to go into a state of "everlasting punishment".

Whether we view this as simply death itself, or as an eternal life of everlasting punishment is irrelevant since Jesus obviously did neither of these things.

So, there you go. Jesus own words refute the very idea that he could have paid the wages of sin for anyone. Jesus supposedly rose from the dead in a mere 3 days and then floated off to heaven to become the King of Kinds and Lord of Lords over heaven itself.

So much for this obviously self-contradictory mythology.

There's nothing to defend JW. The theology is clearly false and self-contradictory.

You asked for scriptural evidence to back up my claim and I gave it as it is extremely easy to demonstrate the obvious fallacy and self-contradictory nature of this religious doctrine.

[JehovahsWitness]

Since you seem to be quoting scripture, may I ask does the bible say "The wages of sin is everlasting death"?

Have you read the stories of Jesus?

Matthew 25:46 And these (the unrighteous) shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
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Does the word "SIN" appear in that verse? Perhaps I wasn't clear...what I meant to ask was, does the bible say the wages of sin is everlasting death? (Maybe we can leave what the bible means by "righteous" or "unrighteous" for another day and just keep to the plain meaning of things. I think we can both agree that verse makes no mention of the word sin. Do you have one that stipulates that the wages of sin is everlasting death?).

[Zzyzx]

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Does the word "SIN" appear in that verse? Perhaps I wasn't clear...what I meant to ask was, does the bible say the wages of sin is everlasting death? (Maybe we can leave what the bible means by "righteous" or "unrighteous" for another day and just keep to the plain meaning of things. I think we can both agree that verse makes no mention of the word sin. Do you have one that stipulates that the wages of sin is everlasting death?).

When attempting to support a weak position try word play

1 John 5:17 All unrighteousness is sin: