Lack of knowledge of the Bible?

[Zzyzx]

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Lack of knowledge of the Bible?

It is not uncommon in these debates for Apologists attempting to defend the Bible to be (or claim to be) unaware of significant Bible passages, and to be enlightened by Non- or Ex-Christians. Example:

I don’t think Bible tells it is ok to beat slaves.

It does. And they can even beat their indentured servants too.

Luke 12:47-48 (OK to beat indentured servants)

Exodus 21:20-21 (Ok to beat slaves just as long as they don't die within a couple of days.

Is it rational for a person to attempt to defend the Bible when they demonstrate (or claim) to be unaware of significant, and often poignant, passages?

Does such ignorance or willful ignorance damage / destroy the credibility of the defense?

[JehovahsWitness]

... the Bible but lots of bad advice. ".... Stone errant girls.

ERRANT

1. erring or straying from the accepted course or standards.

I know of know bible verse that uses the term ERRANT its penal code. In general the Mosaic law was very specific when it came to capital punishment ("stoning") , may I request a reference?


Thanks,

JW

[benchwarmer]

... the Bible but lots of bad advice. ".... Stone errant girls.

ERRANT

1. erring or straying from the accepted course or standards.

I know of know bible verse that uses the term ERRANT its penal code. In general the Mosaic law was very specific when it came to capital punishment ("stoning") , may I request a reference?

Is this a case of being pedantic because the exact word is not used? If so, I also find no English translation using the workd 'errant'. I do, however, know of a case that fits the exact meaning:

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death. She has done an outrageous thing in Israel by being promiscuous while still in her father’s house. You must purge the evil from among you.

In other words: If a young woman, living under her fathers roof, errs or strays from the accepted course or standards of not sleeping with men while unmarried, she is to be stoned to death if her new husband claims she was not a virgin and the parents cannot provide proof of her virginity.

This boils down to having a young woman stoned if her parents cannot provide proof against a charge from her husband. This could happen if:

1) Her parents (for whatever reason) want to be rid of their daughter. Not likely, but one possibility.
2) Her parents cannot gain access to the possible 'bloody sheet' to provide proof because the husband has replaced it.
3) The young woman's hymen was broken without sex before the wedding night, thus rendering it impossible for the parents to have any proof.
4) The new husband did not actually have intercourse with his new bride for whatever reason and just charges his new bride with a baseless claim. This would also render it impossible for the parents to provide anything.

The last 2 are huge problems with this whole thing and thus this is very bad advice about girls in general, not just those who may have been errant.

[SallyF]

By what the Bible tells, beating slaves is not ok. And I don’t think beating anyone is ok. I am really sorry, if my writing is so bad that you don’t have any clue what I say.

You write well in a language that is not your first. Few English speakers could write as well in your native tongue.


There are many good sayings in the Bible but lots of bad advice. "Suffer not a witch to live!" Stone errant girls (this is still done today in some countries). Gay men were executed for centuries, following biblical condemnation. Humans are best when they take care of each other.


Add a speck of mud to a glass of pure water and the contents are entirely polluted.

Go well.

Most (and perhaps ALL) of us here DO know our biblical writings well enough to know what you allude to when you use the word "errant".

If one knows one's biblical propaganda well enough to know that the precise word "errant" does not appear, then one knows ones biblical propaganda well enough to have knowledge of precisely what you refer to.



In my experience, lack of biblical knowlege is often feigned by those reluctant to admit the vile content, and the absence of evidence of input from any version of "God" in the very human writings.

And certain folks will clutch at the straw of any minor point that may be made to deflect and distract.

[JehovahsWitness]

... the Bible but lots of bad advice. ".... Stone errant girls.

ERRANT

1. erring or straying from the accepted course or standards.

I know of know bible verse that uses the term ERRANT its penal code. In general the Mosaic law was very specific when it came to capital punishment ("stoning") , may I request a reference?

Is this a case of being pedantic because the exact word is not used?

No it's a case of asking for a reference to support a claim regarding a specific text; very common in academic circles. Thank you for your own input, since Im not a mind reader I cannot confirm if the passage provided was what Marcus had in mind.


Regards,


JW

[Willum]

... the Bible but lots of bad advice. ".... Stone errant girls.

ERRANT

1. erring or straying from the accepted course or standards.

I know of know bible verse that uses the term ERRANT its penal code. In general the Mosaic law was very specific when it came to capital punishment ("stoning") , may I request a reference?

Is this a case of being pedantic because the exact word is not used?

No it's a case of asking for a reference to support a claim regarding a specific text; very common in academic circles. Thank you for your own input, since Im not a mind reader I cannot confirm if the passage provided was what Marcus had in mind.


Regards,


JW

Which is, of course the point of the post: Lack of knowledge of the Bible?
Bible supporters demonstrate they do not know the Bible, cannot investigate the Bible and so do not believe the Bible.

What do they believe if they lack knowledge of the Bible?
Now that is a good question.

JW?

[1213]

…You write well in a language that is not your first. …

Thank you!

…There are many good sayings in the Bible but lots of bad advice. "Suffer not a witch to live!" Stone errant girls (this is still done today in some countries). Gay men were executed for centuries, following biblical condemnation. Humans are best when they take care of each other…

I agree about the taking care part and by what I know, modern people don’t have the right to judge and I don't want to judge. However, what if witch and gay men, or other who reject God and His law, are destructive for a nation and people, is it ok to let them destroy the nation?

[Tcg]

However, what if witch and gay men, or other who reject God and His law, are destructive for a nation and people, is it ok to let them destroy the nation?

Why would you call out a witch, gay men, and those who reject God?

Would the answer be any different if it were a Christian pastor, a straight mother, or Theists who were being destructive for a nation and people?

Every case is individual. There is no reason to practice prejudiced violence against any group or individual.


Tcg

[Zzyzx]

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However, what if witch and gay men, or other who reject God and His law, are destructive for a nation and people, is it ok to let them destroy the nation?

What, exactly, do you mean by 'witch'? How is one identified?

What does 'reject God' have to do with 'destroy the nation'?

[1213]

…Why would you call out a witch, gay men, and those who reject God?

People who reject God, reject His commandments. And obviously a witch and gay men have rejected God, when they do things that are against God’s commandments. And when people reject God, it has led to suffering and I believe it will also in future do the same.

Would the answer be any different if it were a Christian pastor, a straight mother, or Theists who were being destructive for a nation and people?

Any person who rejects God and His commandments, becomes destructive for the nation, because that person can do all kind of evil things, which eventually can lead to destruction of the whole nation. Perhaps the worst thing is, it sets an example, and when enough people follow it, that is when the nation will be destroyed. It doesn’t mean instant destruction, if one person has rejected God. There is several steps and the first can lead the way to hell.

[1213]

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What does 'reject God' have to do with 'destroy the nation'?

When the moral and reason/intellect of nation is destroyed, there can happen many things that cause destruction. One way is that when the unity is gone, the nation becomes weak for external and internal threats. The nation can itself collapse and be divided into several groups, or other nations can more easily destroy it. Also, when it goes long enough, God can end it, similarly as the Bible tells has happened many times in the history. Person who is ready to break the law in one point, can do it in every point. This leads to situation like this:

and because lawlessness will increase, the love of many people will grow cold.
Matt. 24:12

Crime rate will increase, suffering will increase and it also leads eventually to totalitarian government that tries to control everything. People will lose freedom and life becomes miserable. So, witchcraft, or gay sex are small steps towards destruction. They are not the whole path, but without small steps the whole trip could be avoided. More crucial than the acts itself is the state of mind that is changed. In Biblical point of view the question is about righteousness. When person is righteous, he does all kind of righteous actions and if person is unrighteous, he does all kind of unrighteous actions. So, the problem really is, if the mind is unrighteous, because it makes all evil actions possible. That is why I think eternal life is promised for righteous.

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Mat. 25:46

For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Romans 6:23

Acts are only like fruits, they tell is the tree good or bad.

Even so, every good tree produces good fruit; but the corrupt tree produces evil fruit. A good tree can't produce evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree produce good fruit. Every tree that doesn't grow good fruit is cut down, and thrown into the fire.
Matt. 7:17-19

If we see increase in unrighteous fruit, we see change in people’s minds. And if there is change to unrighteousness, it tells that there probably comes all kind of problems, if people don't repent.