God's violent ways

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Thu Sep 05, 2019 6:23 pm

The god of the bible tends do deal with sin and evil in very violent ways. Ie, wiping out cities, sending floods, ordering violent deaths, ordering the slaying of animals for sacrifices, sending curses and plagues, etc.

Can you point out any instances in the bible where God deals with sin and evil in non-violent ways?

And I mean God here. Not Jesus.
And there are times God showed mercy and didn't deal with the sin and evil, sure. But when he did, were there non-violent methods used?

1213 · Post by **1213** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 4:33 am

Willum wrote: [Replying to 1213]

I do feel sorry for those of you who believe the Bible, and most particularly, those who believe in the monstrously deity portrayed In Noahs ark.
Believing such a treacherous and horrible creature is your only hope for salvation, must be depressing.

Please tell, do you accept abortion and euthanasia?

I have no reason to believe God is treacherous and I dont think He is horrible, when He doesnt allow evil to continue forever.

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 8:40 am

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1213 wrote:
Willum wrote: [Replying to 1213]
I do feel sorry for those of you who believe the Bible, and most particularly, those who believe in the monstrously deity portrayed In Noahs ark.
Believing such a treacherous and horrible creature is your only hope for salvation, must be depressing.
Please tell, do you accept abortion and euthanasia?

Willums position on abortion and euthanasia has NOTHING to do with monstrous actions bragged about in the Bible.

Is this red herring an example of the best apologetics can present in defense of their favorite god?

1213 wrote: I have no reason to believe God is treacherous and I dont think He is horrible, when He doesnt allow evil to continue forever.

There is a current thread entitled Lack of knowledge of the Bible viewtopic.php?t=36079

sorrento · Post by **sorrento** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 9:46 am

[Replying to post 69 by 1213]

I was expecting you to bring up abortion in your response and you didn't disappoint, but as Zzyzx has already stated, abortion, nor indeed euthanasia, has anything to do with the murderous actions of the god you believe in.
You don't believe that your god would ever order you to kill someone and if you thought he did you would then think it possible that you had misunderstood that order and not carry it out. That's very convenient, but I'm surprised that you would think that your god was unable to make himself understood. So let's just say you were convinced that your god ordered you to kill someone, would you then carry out that order?

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 10:25 am

[Replying to post 70 by 1213]

Please tell, do you accept abortion and euthanasia?

I have no reason to believe God is treacherous and I dont think He is horrible, when He doesnt allow evil to continue forever.

God aborts more than any doctor or group of doctors has ever had, or ever will. God does not euthanize, no mercy there, either.

You have no reason to believe God is treacherous for several reasons:
1. You have no reason to believe in God.
a. You have expressed very little understanding of the Bible, the book you claim your beliefs ABOUT God come from.
b. Your beliefs are not based on scripture, but from, well, I can't say.

All evidence points to God allowing evil, and allowing it to continue forever.
Perhaps if he exists, he is just pulling a cruel joke on folks.

"I am torturing you, but I will stop next week, I promise.

Murder is unlawful killing. God has given life, so I think He has right to decide how long it lasts and therefore I think it is not a murder, if God kills.

Mothers and fathers give life. This is observed.
God expresses none of the properties of a living thing, therefore, according to your rules, can't have given life.

According to your rules, mothers and fathers have the right to kill their children.

Ah, well, your rules have so far confused me I can not pursue them any longer. These rules have the logic of Alice and Wonderland, so I am taking my cakes and leaving them too.

"Your" should be taken to mean the vague Christian-like culture you belong to, not you personally.

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:10 pm

Willum wrote: [Replying to post 70 by 1213]

Please tell, do you accept abortion and euthanasia?

I have no reason to believe God is treacherous and I dont think He is horrible, when He doesnt allow evil to continue forever.
God aborts more than any doctor or group of doctors has ever had, or ever will. God does not euthanize, no mercy there, either.

When you think about this, it's true. There are millions of sperms looking for eggs, but God has designed the system so that only the odd one gets to the egg and fertilises it. That's millions of potential babies that could be born, but which die before they even get to the eggs.

Apparently it's god that allows the sperm to fertilize. Thus, the majority of them he kills off... or if you'd rather... just lets die.

Willum · Post by **Willum** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:12 pm

[Replying to post 74 by OnceConvinced]

I was referring to still-births...

Zzyzx · Post by **Zzyzx** » Sun Sep 22, 2019 7:19 pm

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Evidently the creator designed a system that gets rid of a lot of fetuses

The CDC as well as the March of Dimes and several fertility experts have conducted studies to see exactly how hard it is to carry a pregnancy to term. In general, less than 70% of all fertilized eggs will even implant into the mother's womb causing pregnancy to continue. From there, there is a 25-50% chance of aborting before you even know you are pregnant. If, however, you make it to your first month, your odds go up to 75% chance of carrying to term.
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Spontaneo ... _in_humans

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1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:31 am

Zzyzx wrote: Willums position on abortion and euthanasia has NOTHING to do with monstrous actions bragged about in the Bible. ..

I think it has, because if he can accept euthanasia and abortion, there should be no problem, if God ends life also. And if he doesnt accept abortion and euthanasia, it would be interesting information and I would like to know why he doesnt accept those. Nowadays most people seem to accept them. Usually it is Christians who dont accept them.

Zzyzx wrote:There is a current thread entitled Lack of knowledge of the Bible viewtopic.php?t=36079

Sorry, I dont think that is relevant here.

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:32 am

sorrento wrote: That's very convenient, but I'm surprised that you would think that your god was unable to make himself understood. So let's just say you were convinced that your god ordered you to kill someone, would you then carry out that order?

I dont think God is unable to do something. And if it would be said to me that I should kill someone, I probably would not do that. But this is a difficult question. If for example my country would be in war, should I obey the commandments in army and kill, or should I not?

1213 · Post by **1213** » Mon Sep 23, 2019 10:33 am

Willum wrote: God aborts more than any doctor or group of doctors has ever had, or ever will. God does not euthanize, no mercy there, either.

If God kills someone, He is also the one who originally gave the life, so He has the right. Doctors dont have the right, because they have not given the life.

Willum wrote:You have no reason to believe God is treacherous for several reasons:
1. You have no reason to believe in God.
a. You have expressed very little understanding of the Bible, the book you claim your beliefs ABOUT God come from.
b. Your beliefs are not based on scripture, but from, well, I can't say.

The reason why I dont think God is treacherous, is that there is nothing to support that claim. There is simply no scripture that indicates God is treacherous.

Willum wrote:All evidence points to God allowing evil, and allowing it to continue forever.

Sorry, I have not seen any evidence for that. It seems to me that all evil people die eventually.

Willum wrote:Mothers and fathers give life.

That is not true. People give birth, not life. Life is in all living cells and people have done nothing to achieve it and people dont give life for their own cells. People only in good case let the life continue. If you think you can give life to a cell, I would like to hear how it is done and I am sure that many childless couples would like to hear about that also.