Does anyone actually believe the story of Noah's Ark?

Topaz27 · Post by **Topaz27** » Sat Oct 19, 2019 11:31 pm

I know a bunch of Christians, and so many of them believe that Noah's Ark is a myth. Basically just a story to teach morals and lessons. I personally see a lot of things wrong with the story of the flood. So I was wondering, if anyone believes the story of Noah's Ark, and the world flood, to be the truth?

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:15 pm

Eloi wrote: Read again:

I've read it. Please answer my questions directly.

Tcg

Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:17 pm

Your questions are answered directly a lot of comments ago:

Not only Jesus talked about Noah and the Flood.

Heb.11:7By faith Noah, after receiving divine warning of things not yet seen, showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; and through this faith he condemned the world, and he became an heir of the righteousness that results from faith.

1 Pet. 3:20 (...) God was patiently waiting in Noahs day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

2 Pet. 2:4Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarta-rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.

Noah and his children were included in the biblical genealogies, which would not have been if they had been fictional or mythological characters.

1 Chron. 1:1Adam,
Seth,
Enosh,
2Kenan,
Ma-hala-lel,
Jared,
3Enoch,
Me-thuse-lah,
Lamech,
4Noah,
Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Luk. 3:35[son] of Serug,
[son] of Reu,
[son] of Peleg,
[son] of Eber,
[son] of Shelah,
36[son] of Ca-inan,
[son] of Ar-pachshad,
[son] of Shem,
[son] of Noah,
[son] of Lamech,
37[son] of Me-thuse-lah,
[son] of Enoch,
[son] of Jared,
[son] of Ma-hala-le-el,
[son] of Ca-inan,
38[son] of Enosh,
[son] of Seth,
[son] of Adam,
[son] of God.

Through Isaiah Jehovah mentioned the event:

Is. 54:9This is just as the days of Noah to me. Just as I have sworn that the waters of Noah shall no more pass over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not become indignant toward you nor rebuke you. 10For the mountains themselves may be removed, and the very hills may stagger, but my loving-kindness itself will not be removed from you, nor will my covenant of peace itself stagger, Jehovah, the One having mercy upon you, has said.

... and through Ezekiel:

Eze. 14:12And the word of Jehovah continued to come to me, saying: 13Son of man, as regards a land, in case it commits sin against me in acting unfaithfully, I will also stretch out my hand against it and break for it the rods around which ring-shaped loaves are suspended, and I will send upon it famine and cut off from it earthling man and domestic animal. 14And had these three men proved to be in the midst of it, Noah, Daniel and Job, they themselves because of their righteousness would deliver their soul, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

No matter what Jesus said or how, would you believe him? In your view, how should he have said it to be taken as a real event? Or how many times should Scripture talk about the matter to make it seem like a real event TO YOU?

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:20 pm

Eloi wrote: Your questions are answered directly a lot of comments ago:

They aren't. All you've done is provide a series of quotes with no explanation as to how they address my questions. Please attempt to do so.

Tcg

Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:24 pm

Oh yes, your questions are answered directly ... You just don't like how. I mentioned diferent passages of the Bible that indiscutibly mentioned the Flood as a real event. You just don't like what they say and you want to keep pretending they don't exist.

Not only Jesus talked about Noah and the Flood.

Heb.11:7By faith Noah, after receiving divine warning of things not yet seen, showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; and through this faith he condemned the world, and he became an heir of the righteousness that results from faith.

1 Pet. 3:20 (...) God was patiently waiting in Noahs day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

2 Pet. 2:4Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarta-rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.

Noah and his children were included in the biblical genealogies, which would not have been if they had been fictional or mythological characters.

1 Chron. 1:1Adam,
Seth,
Enosh,
2Kenan,
Ma-hala-lel,
Jared,
3Enoch,
Me-thuse-lah,
Lamech,
4Noah,
Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Luk. 3:35[son] of Serug,
[son] of Reu,
[son] of Peleg,
[son] of Eber,
[son] of Shelah,
36[son] of Ca-inan,
[son] of Ar-pachshad,
[son] of Shem,
[son] of Noah,
[son] of Lamech,
37[son] of Me-thuse-lah,
[son] of Enoch,
[son] of Jared,
[son] of Ma-hala-le-el,
[son] of Ca-inan,
38[son] of Enosh,
[son] of Seth,
[son] of Adam,
[son] of God.

Through Isaiah Jehovah mentioned the event:

Is. 54:9This is just as the days of Noah to me. Just as I have sworn that the waters of Noah shall no more pass over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not become indignant toward you nor rebuke you. 10For the mountains themselves may be removed, and the very hills may stagger, but my loving-kindness itself will not be removed from you, nor will my covenant of peace itself stagger, Jehovah, the One having mercy upon you, has said.

... and through Ezekiel:

Eze. 14:12And the word of Jehovah continued to come to me, saying: 13Son of man, as regards a land, in case it commits sin against me in acting unfaithfully, I will also stretch out my hand against it and break for it the rods around which ring-shaped loaves are suspended, and I will send upon it famine and cut off from it earthling man and domestic animal. 14And had these three men proved to be in the midst of it, Noah, Daniel and Job, they themselves because of their righteousness would deliver their soul, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

No matter what Jesus said or how, would you believe him? In your view, how should he have said it to be taken as a real event? Or how many times should Scripture talk about the matter to make it seem like a real event TO YOU?

Those passages are clear enough. Read them again, and again, and again ... so maybe you'll realize that your questions have been answered a long time ago.

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:30 pm

Eloi wrote: Oh yes, your questions are answered directly ... You just don't like how. I mentioned diferent passages of the Bible that indiscutibly mentioned the Flood as a real event. You just don't like what they say and you want to keep pretending they don't exist.

I am not pretending anything. I am waiting for your to defend your claim that this series of quotes addresses my questions.

Please provide your standard for determining literal stories from figurative if you are still hesitant to address my questions directly.

Tcg

Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:33 pm

[Replying to Tcg]

This topic is not to talk about what is figurative in the Bible or not. It is about the Flood and what the Bible says about it to think it as a real event. It is not me the one who is trying to make it a real event, Bible talked about it as a real event ... you are the one saying it is not. So, it is you who must show why should I go against the Bible.

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:40 pm

Eloi wrote:
It is not me the one who is trying to make it a real event, Bible talked about it as a real event ...

Are we to pretend that you didn't make this claim:

Eloi wrote:
I mentioned diferent passages of the Bible that indiscutibly mentioned the Flood as a real event.

That is your claim, not the Bible's. Now all you have to do is support your claim about the Bible.

Tcg

Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:42 pm

And so the Bible says:

Not only Jesus talked about Noah and the Flood.

Heb.11:7By faith Noah, after receiving divine warning of things not yet seen, showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; and through this faith he condemned the world, and he became an heir of the righteousness that results from faith.

1 Pet. 3:20 (...) God was patiently waiting in Noahs day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

2 Pet. 2:4Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarta-rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.

Noah and his children were included in the biblical genealogies, which would not have been if they had been fictional or mythological characters.

1 Chron. 1:1Adam,
Seth,
Enosh,
2Kenan,
Ma-hala-lel,
Jared,
3Enoch,
Me-thuse-lah,
Lamech,
4Noah,
Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Luk. 3:35[son] of Serug,
[son] of Reu,
[son] of Peleg,
[son] of Eber,
[son] of Shelah,
36[son] of Ca-inan,
[son] of Ar-pachshad,
[son] of Shem,
[son] of Noah,
[son] of Lamech,
37[son] of Me-thuse-lah,
[son] of Enoch,
[son] of Jared,
[son] of Ma-hala-le-el,
[son] of Ca-inan,
38[son] of Enosh,
[son] of Seth,
[son] of Adam,
[son] of God.

Through Isaiah Jehovah mentioned the event:

Is. 54:9This is just as the days of Noah to me. Just as I have sworn that the waters of Noah shall no more pass over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not become indignant toward you nor rebuke you. 10For the mountains themselves may be removed, and the very hills may stagger, but my loving-kindness itself will not be removed from you, nor will my covenant of peace itself stagger, Jehovah, the One having mercy upon you, has said.

... and through Ezekiel:

Eze. 14:12And the word of Jehovah continued to come to me, saying: 13Son of man, as regards a land, in case it commits sin against me in acting unfaithfully, I will also stretch out my hand against it and break for it the rods around which ring-shaped loaves are suspended, and I will send upon it famine and cut off from it earthling man and domestic animal. 14And had these three men proved to be in the midst of it, Noah, Daniel and Job, they themselves because of their righteousness would deliver their soul, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

No matter what Jesus said or how, would you believe him? In your view, how should he have said it to be taken as a real event? Or how many times should Scripture talk about the matter to make it seem like a real event TO YOU?

You said you read the passages. Then you see what the Bible says about the Flood, Noah, etc. How many times do you need to read the passages to understand that the Bible is talking about a real event?

Post by **Tcg** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:46 pm

Eloi wrote:
How many times do you need to read the passages to understand that the Bible is talking about a real event?

All I need is for you to support YOUR claim that the Bible is talking about a real event. How many times do I need to ask you to do so before you will attempt it?

Tcg

Eloi · Post by **Eloi** » Mon Oct 21, 2019 10:47 pm

And so I did:

Not only Jesus talked about Noah and the Flood.

Heb.11:7By faith Noah, after receiving divine warning of things not yet seen, showed godly fear and constructed an ark for the saving of his household; and through this faith he condemned the world, and he became an heir of the righteousness that results from faith.

1 Pet. 3:20 (...) God was patiently waiting in Noahs day, while the ark was being constructed, in which a few people, that is, eight souls, were carried safely through the water.

2 Pet. 2:4Certainly God did not refrain from punishing the angels who sinned, but threw them into Tarta-rus, putting them in chains of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment. 5And he did not refrain from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a flood upon a world of ungodly people.

Noah and his children were included in the biblical genealogies, which would not have been if they had been fictional or mythological characters.

1 Chron. 1:1Adam,
Seth,
Enosh,
2Kenan,
Ma-hala-lel,
Jared,
3Enoch,
Me-thuse-lah,
Lamech,
4Noah,
Shem, Ham and Japheth.

Luk. 3:35[son] of Serug,
[son] of Reu,
[son] of Peleg,
[son] of Eber,
[son] of Shelah,
36[son] of Ca-inan,
[son] of Ar-pachshad,
[son] of Shem,
[son] of Noah,
[son] of Lamech,
37[son] of Me-thuse-lah,
[son] of Enoch,
[son] of Jared,
[son] of Ma-hala-le-el,
[son] of Ca-inan,
38[son] of Enosh,
[son] of Seth,
[son] of Adam,
[son] of God.

Through Isaiah Jehovah mentioned the event:

Is. 54:9This is just as the days of Noah to me. Just as I have sworn that the waters of Noah shall no more pass over the earth, so I have sworn that I will not become indignant toward you nor rebuke you. 10For the mountains themselves may be removed, and the very hills may stagger, but my loving-kindness itself will not be removed from you, nor will my covenant of peace itself stagger, Jehovah, the One having mercy upon you, has said.

... and through Ezekiel:

Eze. 14:12And the word of Jehovah continued to come to me, saying: 13Son of man, as regards a land, in case it commits sin against me in acting unfaithfully, I will also stretch out my hand against it and break for it the rods around which ring-shaped loaves are suspended, and I will send upon it famine and cut off from it earthling man and domestic animal. 14And had these three men proved to be in the midst of it, Noah, Daniel and Job, they themselves because of their righteousness would deliver their soul, is the utterance of the Sovereign Lord Jehovah.

No matter what Jesus said or how, would you believe him? In your view, how should he have said it to be taken as a real event? Or how many times should Scripture talk about the matter to make it seem like a real event TO YOU?