Should Christians keep the law?

Post by **otseng** » Thu Dec 12, 2019 5:19 am

From the thread Keeping the commandments:

Tart wrote: Do you keep the law?

Questions for debate:
Should Christians keep the law?
If so, how much of the laws should we keep?

Avoice · Post by **Avoice** » Mon Dec 23, 2019 7:16 pm

[Replying to post 59 by 2timothy316]

Jesus died once for all sins? That's what the church teaches

THEN WHY DOES SCRIPTURE TELL US THAT IN END TIMES WHEN THE THIRD TEMPLE IS BUILT THAT THE MESSIAH WILL OFFER SACRIFICES? for the people AND for himself

The sacrificial system will be reinstated. God said wed be without a temple and a king many days. But that will change in end times.

Jesus sacrificed once for all sins? Nonsense. He couldn't have been a sacrifice because God only accepted them in the place HE chose. He said we could not choose. Certainly nit outsude of Jerusalem at a place calked Golgotha ( the skull) That's why we have no sacrifices today. We have to wait until the temple is rebuilt on the temple mount.
Jesus is not the Messiah. Why would Jesus offer a sin sacrifice for himself? I thought he was sinless

Post by **otseng** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:07 am

[Replying to post 81 by Avoice]

Those are interesting points, however, to avoid derailing this thread, please create another thread to discuss.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:29 am

Avoice wrote: [Replying to post 57 by Donray]

Yeah... show us where God said that.
Where God said it.

So show us were God said anything. According to your ways of thinking you can't use the Bible because no a single word was written by God.

Clearly you're biased on what is scripture and what isn't. Why does Moses' writing the Law get a pass as writing for God but Paul doesn't?

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:32 am

Avoice wrote:
The sacrificial system will be reinstated.

So this is interesting. Where in the law did say to pause the sacrificial system and why?

Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Tue Dec 24, 2019 11:28 am

2timothy316 wrote:
Avoice wrote: [Replying to post 57 by Donray]

Yeah... show us where God said that.
Where God said it.
So show us were God said anything. According to your ways of thinking you can't use the Bible because no a single word was written by God.

Clearly you're biased on what is scripture and what isn't. Why does Moses' writing the Law get a pass as writing for God but Paul doesn't?

Why isn't Jesus the final word? Why are Paul's writings even included as Sacred Scripture? Why does Jesus need the interpreter Paul?

At best, shouldn't Paul's writings be considered only theological treatises, and pastoral advice?

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Thu Dec 26, 2019 1:14 pm

[Replying to post 83 by 2timothy316]

Moses wrote nothing. The first written accounts were written about 900BCE. Moses was long before that if he did exist.

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Fri Dec 27, 2019 12:44 pm

[Replying to post 70 by otseng]

If, though, you want to enter into life, observe the commandments continually. He said to him: Which ones? Jesus said: You must not murder, you must not commit adultery, you must not steal, you must not bear false witness, honor your father and your mother, and you must love your neighbor as yourself."Matthew 19:17-19.

Jesus was asked point blank what to keep from the law and he gave his answer. Out of all of the commandments, he said to be sure to keep 6 of them in particular.

Donray · Post by **Donray** » Sat Dec 28, 2019 5:23 pm

[Replying to post 86 by 2timothy316]

What about

21 Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

So It looks like all the good Christians should be poor Christians. Did you give all your money away except for a minimum to keep you alive? No TV, no entertainment expense, Basic food item, take only public transport and sold yoyur cars?

2timothy316 · Post by **2timothy316** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 9:07 am

Donray wrote: [Replying to post 86 by 2timothy316]

What about

21 Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.
22 When the young man heard this, he went away sad, because he had great wealth.
23 Then Jesus said to his disciples, Truly I tell you, it is hard for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of heaven. 24 Again I tell you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God.

So It looks like all the good Christians should be poor Christians.

Even though this is not part of the discussion, I'm going to reply briefly. Though it might be harder for a rich person to leave their possessions, that doesn't mean poor Christians are better or that a person must be poor to follow Jesus.

"Then Jesus said to his disciples: Truly I say to you that it will be difficult for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of the heavens. Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to get through a needles eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of God. When the disciples heard that, they were greatly astounded, saying: Who really can be saved? Looking at them intently, Jesus said to them: With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible. Matthew 15:23-26

With God all things are possible, even a rich person entering the Kingdom of God.

Did you give all your money away except for a minimum to keep you alive? No TV, no entertainment expense, Basic food item, take only public transport and sold yoyur cars?

Nope. There is no need to do that. The principle the rich man failed to follow is this, "Let your way of life be free of the love of money, while you are content with the present things. For he has said: I will never leave you, and I will never abandon you. - Heb 13:5

I personally am content with what I have and I have no desire to gain more. What is more, I'm ready to leave it all if I am asked to do so. Which that day very likely to happen during the Great Tribulation. Until that day, as long as I keep my priorities on Jehovah's Kingdom I will be free of the love of money and when I'm asked to leave everything, it will be an easy decision. I know this important truth, "For we have brought nothing into the world, and neither can we carry anything out." 1 Tim 6:7.

Post by **otseng** » Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:31 am

Donray wrote: 21 Jesus answered, If you want to be perfect, go, sell your possessions and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.

It's doubtful Jesus was commanding that everyone should sell everything and give to the poor here. It's not a bad thing if someone chooses to do this, but it's not mandated by Jesus. As far as I know, he never said this to anyone else. The reason he said this to the young man was he trusted in his riches.

[Mar 10:22 KJV] 22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

It's not having a lot of money that is an issue. It's the love of money that is a snare.

[1Ti 6:10 KJV] 10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

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