This Generation Will Not Pass Away:

[Overcomer]

Jesus talks about the destruction of the temple and signs of the end times in Matt. 24:1-35:

1 Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2 Do you see all these things? he asked. Truly I tell you, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down.

3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. Tell us, they said, when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?

4 Jesus answered: Watch out that no one deceives you. 5 For many will come in my name, claiming, I am the Messiah, and will deceive many. 6 You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9 Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10 At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11 and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12 Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13 but the one who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

15 So when you see standing in the holy place the abomination that causes desolation,[a] spoken of through the prophet Daniel"let the reader understand" 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let no one on the housetop go down to take anything out of the house. 18 Let no one in the field go back to get their cloak. 19 How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20 Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now"and never to be equaled again.

22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, Look, here is the Messiah! or, There he is! do not believe it. 24 For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time.

26 So if anyone tells you, There he is, out in the wilderness, do not go out; or, Here he is, in the inner rooms, do not believe it. 27 For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.

29 Immediately after the distress of those days


the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.

30 Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.[d] 31 And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.

32 Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[e] is near, right at the door. 34 Truly I tell you, this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35 Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

Verse 34 has been the subject of many a debate. My questions are as follows:

What did Jesus mean when he said "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened?" Who is "this generation"?

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 594 by Checkpoint]

Always by God's measurement.

So, what is that specific measurement?

Is that the way Jesus in other passages, uses the word "generation"?

If not, why not? If so, please give examples.

Grace and peace to you.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 594 by Checkpoint]

Always by God's measurement.

So, what is that specific measurement?

Is that the way Jesus in other passages, uses the word "generation"?

If not, why not? If so, please give examples.

Grace and peace to you.

There is one passage where Jesus speaks of an evil generation. But zeroing in on "generation" in the way that you are is like zeroing in on the word "man." There many instances of evil men, and yet many instances of good men. The same can be said of generations.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 594 by Checkpoint]

Always by God's measurement.

So, what is that specific measurement?

Is that the way Jesus in other passages, uses the word "generation"?

If not, why not? If so, please give examples.


Grace and peace to you.

There is one passage where Jesus speaks of an evil generation. But zeroing in on "generation" in the way that you are is like zeroing in on the word "man." There many instances of evil men, and yet many instances of good men. The same can be said of generations.

You did not answer my first question, which was: "what is that specific measurement?
Maybe this could be your answer: "spirit-anointed Christians"? Or perhaps "spirit-anointed sons of God"?

Your answer to my second question did not cite any "good" generation Jesus spoke about. You coulld not find any because there aren't any, as such.

To measure a genration by whether it is good or evil seems strange at first. That is, until you begin to realise it is exactly the way Jesus chose to do it!

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 594 by Checkpoint]

Always by God's measurement.

So, what is that specific measurement?

Is that the way Jesus in other passages, uses the word "generation"?

If not, why not? If so, please give examples.


Grace and peace to you.

There is one passage where Jesus speaks of an evil generation. But zeroing in on "generation" in the way that you are is like zeroing in on the word "man." There many instances of evil men, and yet many instances of good men. The same can be said of generations.

You did not answer my first question, which was: "what is that specific measurement?
Maybe this could be your answer: "spirit-anointed Christians"? Or perhaps "spirit-anointed sons of God"?

Your answer to my second question did not cite any "good" generation Jesus spoke about. You coulld not find any because there aren't any, as such.

To measure a genration by whether it is good or evil seems strange at first. That is, until you begin to realise it is exactly the way Jesus chose to do it!

Checkpoint, you seem to be either splitting hairs or....not making your points clear. I really didn't understand what you were asking when you asked for "measurements." I'm still not clear on that.

I did cite a good generation Jesus spoke about---Matthew 24:34.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 599 by onewithhim]

Checkpoint, you seem to be either splitting hairs or....not making your points clear. I really didn't understand what you were asking when you asked for "measurements." I'm still not clear on that.

in hindsight, it seems I was splitting hairs, onewithhim!

So let's no longer discuss "measurement" but instead discuss what Jesus said about the generation he sometimes specified was "this generation".

I did cite a good generation Jesus spoke about---Matthew 24:34.

No generation is totally "good" or totally "bad".

A generation is that which is generated and then born.

"That which is born of the flesh is flesh. That which is born of the Spirit is spirit".

Jesus spoke constantly in spiritual terms about spiritual realities. Unless and until we recognise this we will not grasp the import of what he says and means about so many things.

We need ears to hear and eyes to see, and a heart to understand.

When he referred to "this generation" in Matthew 24:34, he was going back to what he had already just been talking to them about at length, in Matthew 23, that same "this generation".

A "good generation" it is not!

A physical generation it is not.

It is one of two spiritual generations.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 600 by Checkpoint]

Checkpoint, as I see it, Jesus had just described the Great Tribulation and Armageddon, in chapter 24. So he was referring to the last days, not his own day there in the first century.

So...right after mentioning Armageddon, he spoke of "this generation," that is, the one that will see the end of this system of things.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 600 by Checkpoint]

Checkpoint, as I see it, Jesus had just described the Great Tribulation and Armageddon, in chapter 24. So he was referring to the last days, not his own day there in the first century.

He was telling the disciples that "this generation", who they knew were his and their enemies(v4,9-14), would still be around in the last days, but unlike them, would pass away when he came.

So...right after mentioning Armageddon, he spoke of "this generation," that is, the one that will see the end of this system of things.

onewithhim, there is nothing there about "this generation" seeing anything!

What is there is their share in the end of this system of things.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 602 by Checkpoint]

He was talking about the Great Tribulation. He was referring to the last days of the whole system of things, at the end of which he would come back. It was greater than the end of the Jewish system of things. What he was talking about would involve the whole world.

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 602 by Checkpoint]

He was talking about the Great Tribulation. He was referring to the last days of the whole system of things, at the end of which he would come back.

And those who were"THIS generation".

It was greater than the end of the Jewish system of things. What he was talking about would involve the whole world.

More even than that. "heaven and earth". verse 35.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 604 by Checkpoint]

What are your thoughts about "heaven and earth"?