Christian-Sponsored Hatred for Gays

[Jagella]

Do you support Christian hatred for gays?

I was inspired to broach this topic after reading a column in the January 2020 issue of Scientific American. The column written by the editors is entitled Time's Up for "Anti-Gay Therapy." According to those editors:

Although medical and psychological associations have asked explicitly that Congress and state governments ban anti-gay conversion (by Christians), there has been a backlash from (Christian) groups like the Liberty Council, which promotes "evangelical values."

The column condemns the "detestable practice" of the attempt by many Christians to alter a person's homosexuality because the practice does "irreparable harm" to people. Forty-two percent of a subgroup who have had this "therapy" inflicted on them have committed suicide.

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 86 by JehovahsWitness]

No need to be rude; I supplied what you asked for, OT and NT rules/laws. It's unfortunate you took it the wrong way.

[JehovahsWitness]

The laws of Moses have been abolished, if you are American do you keep slaves ? Did you have a point? If so do you think you are able to make it in a sentence or two? If not, have an excellent week,

[Replying to post 86 by JehovahsWitness]

No need to be rude

Do you think its rude to ask someone if they follow archaic laws on slavery ?

I was referring to all biblical laws, as...Do you follow all of them, or only certain ones? Some include issues with food, certain fabrics, ... slaves, etc. .

I supplied what you asked for, OT and NT rules/laws. ...

And I, provided an answer.

The laws of Moses have been abolished

If there's anything else feel free to ask. If not please enjoy the rest of your day,

JW

[Menotu]

[Replying to post 92 by JehovahsWitness]

Do you think its rude to ask someone if they follow archaic laws on slavery ?

No I consider the below quote, from you, to be rude, and a bit condescending:
"...do you think you are able to make it in a sentence or two?"


Because of this, I choose not to interact with you.

If not, have an excellent week,

I am.

[marco]

Therefore, since gay teens are being taught that their sexual orientation is not abnormal and the idea that their extremely abnormal suicide rates, as compared to heterosexual counterparts, is not a mental health issue just confuses the gay teens even moreThis could result in the rejection of help, related to mental health issues, including sexual orientation. It seems that the politics of the issue is more important than the wellbeing of the individual

So, where is the religious bias?

Family attitude is an important issue and one that should be considered as a prime influence on how young people feel about themselves. At the suicide stage it is already too late; damage has been done to the individual. If a child has been brought up in a home where Leviticus is taken seriously and the child happens to be gay, then often it is a choice of moving away from family and church or listening to the condemnation and the pretence of "wanting to help" from parents who are fiends, and yet are still loved. In any event many children will see themselves as damaged and sinful while their idiot parents are pious and good. Suicide might be their only way out.

Bobby Griffin, a young gay boy, killed himself as a direct result of the intolerance of his mother. Only after she had driven her son to suicide did she repent and cast her wicked religious views in the bin where they belonged. Too late of course.

[marco]

With regards to murder it is usually one person from the homosexual community murdering another member from the homosexual community. Do you have any scientific studies that say that there is no connection with these types of destructive behavior and homosexuallity or is it just a FEELING of yours. I am sure your feelings mean a lot to you but they do not prove anything.

It is also shown that most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Does that mean living at home is dangerous if you drive a car?

In human existence when quarrels break out it will often be with those around us. When heterosexuals murder other heterosexuals is this a reason to suppose heterosexuality causes people to kill? People in a community are more likely to have interaction, good or bad, with each other.

When one uses statistics it is helpful know how they can be used sensibly. We don't form a view and fit the survey results to accommodate our view. Or we shouldn't.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 93 by Menotu]

Well I'm sorry you feel that way, no offense was intended but you must do what you must do.

Have an excellent evening and enjoy the rest of your discussions,


JW

[EarthScienceguy]

[Replying to post 95 by marco]

It is also shown that most car accidents happen within a few miles of home. Does that mean living at home is dangerous if you drive a car?

Yes, it does. Everyone should always be more careful when they are driving around their home.

1/3 of all accidents happen within 5 miles of a person's home. That means if 1 accident happen near a person's home 2 accidents happen away from someone's home and we call that tragic.

Homosexuals are 87 times likely to be murdered. That means if one heterosexual does in a disagreement 87 homosexuals would be killed. If tow heterosexuals are killed then 174 homosexuals would be killed. This statistic becomes even more chilling when the percentage of homosexuals in our society is taken into consideration which is only 4.5 % of the population.

In human existence when quarrels break out it will often be with those around us. When heterosexuals murder other heterosexuals is this a reason to suppose heterosexuality causes people to kill? People in a community are more likely to have interaction, good or bad, with each other.

The stat is homeseuals are 87 times more likely to be killed. This mean that quarrels are 87 times more likely to be killed in a quarrel than heteroseuxual. This means that homosexual are 87 times more likely to meet violent end than heterosexuals.

Homosexuals mean age of death is in the 40's. I would say Christians are the only ones showing love to this community giving them hope for life.

[Clownboat]

No, the statistics do not support that. We actually don't know for sure what the problem is based on these statistics, but which seems more likely: minor commits (or attempts to commit) suicide because: 1) They are attracted to someone. 2) They are told their feelings are not 'natural' or normal and face pressure to conform to their average peers who are straight.

Firstly, there is nothing abnormal about having an attraction for someone! The attraction turns abnormal when acted on improperly. This will always be the caseNot only, with the gays, but also with the heterosexuals.

Yet, if society doesn't actually know for sure what the problem is, then it seems that the reality of the situation is that society is looking in the wrong direction and just guessing about a solution. This seems to be the position of many. Where, the problem isn't getting any better, it's actually getting worstHence, a new approach is required! We shouldn't be looking to blame others for the problem, this is just a cope-outWe should be focusing on the mental health of the individuals or groups who have unnatural desires, such as attempting to commit suicide and other issues

All the statistics tell us is that non straight individuals have a higher suicide rate.

Thank you for admitting this.

Well, I strongly disagree and your opinion clearly shows your religious bias rather than any scientific supported causes.

I'm sure you do (disagree). Yet, you also have agreed that suicide among the gays is higher than the straights and that society doesn't know whyThis is not normal, it's abnormal! If, something is abnormal with an individual or group of individuals, the first place we should be looking for a solution is the individual or groupIn an article in ScienceMag it is claimed that of the young people who have recently attempted suicide or are having suicidal thoughts. All have been diagnosed with a mental illness!

Randy Auerbach, a clinical psychologist at Columbia University and a MAPS coinvestigator, is used to hearing that the study sounds like an invasion of privacy. But Auerbach, who has interviewed thousands of teenagers to gauge their suicide risk and laid plans to try to keep them safe, has a response. "Kids are killing themselves in record numbers, and what we've traditionally tried to do isn't working," he says. "We really need to rethink this." (Article: Suicide attempts are hard to anticipate. A study that tracks teens cellphone use aims to change that, Aug 2019)

Therefore, since gay teens are being taught that their sexual orientation is not abnormal and the idea that their extremely abnormal suicide rates, as compared to heterosexual counterparts, is not a mental health issue just confuses the gay teens even moreThis could result in the rejection of help, related to mental health issues, including sexual orientation. It seems that the politics of the issue is more important than the wellbeing of the individual

So, where is the religious bias?

By rejecting the established science, flat earthers place themselves in a position of power.
Suddenly they feel like they're the experts, and that's a good feeling. Why wouldn't they want to maintain that feeling?

This imagined position of power that some people place themselves in is embaressing, especially when they are pretending to understand the sexual desires of others.

FWI, could you walk in to a gay bar, look at a dancer of the same sex and choose to get arroused? I can't, because it is not a choice for me.

Do you have homosexual feelings and could make such a choice? If you cannot make such a choice, then accept that it is not a choice as to what sex a person is attracted to and employ kindness to your fellow humans.

I blame man for codifying those rules into a book which allowed superstitious people to perpetuate a barbaric practice. Rules that must be followed or face an invisible beings wrath. - KenRU

[Jagella]

The treatment sin has changed in the New Testament because of the radical change that is caused when a person becomes a Christian.

I'd like to see Christ radically change people into persons who do not persecute homosexuals. It would be nice if Christ would teach people to think too.

[brunumb]

[Replying to post 87 by EarthScienceguy]

With regards to murder it is usually one person from the homosexual community murdering another member from the homosexual community.

If you search for murder of homosexuals you don't get anything like what you have claimed. I think that it is important that you support that assertion with a citation.