Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

[polonius]

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

There is some claim that really occurred in 1914. But it didn't. So, what's the claim now?

www.britannica.com/topic/Jehovahs-Witnesses

The Adventist movement emerged in the 1830s around the predictions of William Miller, who proclaimed that Jesus Christ would return in 1843 or 1844.

When Christ did not return as Miller prophecied, Adventists divided into a number of factions.

During the 1870s, Charles Taze Russell established himself as an independent and controversial Adventist teacher.

He rejected belief in hell as a place of eternal torment and adopted a non-Trinitarian theology that denied the divinity of Jesus. He also interpreted the Second Coming in accordance with the literal translation of the original Greek term, parousia (presence), suggesting that Christ would come as an invisible presence and that the Parousia, or Millennial Dawn, already had occurred, in 1874.

The coming of Christs invisible presence signaled the end of the current order of society and would be followed by his visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth in 1914.

Although the kingdom did not come, Russells teachings motivated a number of volunteers to circulate his many books and pamphlets and a periodical, The Watchtower, and to recalculate the time of the Parousia.

So when will Christ's visible presence and the establishment of the millennial kingdom on earth occur?

[onewithhim]

Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

That's not what He said.

He listed signs which must occur before the Parousia could occur.

When these signs have all been seen, the end is near.

RESPONSE:

That's exactly what he said to both Matthew and Luke. In another gospel he said that his apostles would not visit all the towns in Israel before he returned. And he told the chief priest at his trial that he would return during the chief priest's lifetime.

Paul in 1 Thessalonian's says that the present generation would see Jesus' return.
But he was wrong on all prophecies about his return. Look it up!

Did you ever stop to think that YOUR UNDERSTANDING may be remiss? Jesus and Paul did not mean what YOU SAY they meant.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042

It is ironic that in a thread criticising the errors of Jehovahs Witnesses made over 100 years ago, we have a real live prediction made by one of our own forum members that goes pretty much unacknowledged. I'm sure if you or I said JEHOVAHS WITNESSES currently predict the start of the millenium for 2042 there would be a new thread with our names quoting us, set up weekly for general discussion on the folly and madness of The Watchtower.

And the threads would run for a year.





JW

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

Why bother?

Such explanations are a dime a dozen, as are the claims they try to support.

"vanity, and grasping after wind".

[Checkpoint]

Will the Parousia occur during our lifetime?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042.

Jesus prophecized that the second coming would occur while some of his generation were still alive, but it didn't.

That's not what He said.

He listed signs which must occur before the Parousia could occur.

When these signs have all been seen, the end is near.

RESPONSE:

That's exactly what he said to both Matthew and Luke.

Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?

Between mark 13:4 and Mark 13:30 Jesus lists many signs of the Second Coming. Then he states:

Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.

Earlier in the book of Mark, Jesus made another reference to "this generation":

And he (Jesus) sighed deeply in his spirit, and saith, Why doth this generation seek after a sign? verily I say unto you, There shall no sign be given unto this generation.

If Jesus' generation would receive no sign, then "this generation" that shall not pass as used in Matthew, Mark and Luke refers to the generation which witnesses the signs Jesus listed -- not Jesus' generation!

Jesus' generation would be given no sign.

So much about a sign/signs and generation/this generation.

Both, in the New Testament, have two different meanings.

One in reference to what is natural; the other to what is supernatural or spiritual.

Which one was Jesus more likely to have used?

[PinSeeker]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium?

May be, but why is anyone waiting to find out the start date of something that started almost 2000 years ago? Ah, well, because they don't realize it, I guess. What these folks think is the start of the millennium will actually be the end of it.

Grace and peace to you all.

[Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium?

May be, but why is anyone waiting to find out the start date of something that started almost 2000 years ago? Ah, well, because they don't realize it, I guess. What these folks think is the start of the millennium will actually be the end of it.

Grace and peace to you all.

Something like that; yes.

What comes right after the millennium? Revelation 20: 11-15..the final judgment.

When does the judgment take place? At the return of Christ, the one we have been waiting for.

[postroad]

What are the 70AD prophecies?

[Sojournerofthearth]

[Replying to post 67 by postroad]

What are the 70AD prophecies?

Destruction of the Temple in Jerusalem (Luke 21:26, Mat 24:2), the mass killing of the Jews by Rome, (Luke 23:27-31); some people would also include Daniel's prophecies in that. Personally, I would not.... well maybe some of Daniel 9.

Soj

[Checkpoint]

[Replying to post 58 by Checkpoint]

Aren't we still waiting for myth to explain from Scripture how he arrived at that date for the start of the Millennium? Or did I miss his explanation?

The millennium should occur within the period of years 2040 to 2061, with the likely date being the year 2042

It is ironic that in a thread criticising the errors of Jehovahs Witnesses made over 100 years ago, we have a real live prediction made by one of our own forum members that goes pretty much unacknowledged. I'm sure if you or I said JEHOVAHS WITNESSES currently predict the start of the millenium for 2042 there would be a new thread with our names quoting us, set up weekly for general discussion on the folly and madness of The Watchtower.

And the threads would run for a year.

JW

Quite so, fair point, in principle.

However, you appear to have overlooked two things.

1975 was not 100 years ago.

A prediction made and advanced by one person is not the same as the WTS doing so....again.

I hasten to add that I do think they have in fact learned their lesson and will not make that mistake yet again.