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Replying to post 105 by Jagella]
ESG, you're pulling that right, straight out of the air. Nowhere did I state or imply that "homosexuals acts (sic) have nothing to do with suicide attempts." Even if I did say that, why would you oppose addressing a high rate of suicide among gays as a threat to the public health? And why do you oppose society taking action to decrease any such high suicide rate among gays?
You said it again. You seem to think it is possible to decrease the suicide rate in the gay community. If the homosexual act is the trigger to destructive behavior then the solution would be to get rid of the trigger.
With your so called love or whatever it is you want to call it, simply condemns people to death because you seem to think trying to treating the symptoms is as good as treating that actual problem. In every society the homosexual community has a higher rate of suicide.
According to the article in question, the high rate of suicide among homosexuals who have been victimized by Christian anti-gay abuse was revealed by the Trevor Project using a 2019 survey of 35,000 young people.
The Trevor project was a 1 survey study that asked questions about the last 12 months. Anything a little more scientific. Like a multiyear study that tracked these young people over time. That might give more accurate results.
This argument again does not hold water.
1. Because this suicide rate happens regardless of how accepted homosexuality is.
2. Suicide rate does in increase in Christian communities when they are persecuted.
3. Suicide rates did not increase among African American slaves when they were persecuted.
Homosexual sex is no riskier than heterosexual sex. I believe both gays and heterosexuals should use condoms to reduce the risk of AIDS.
Do you agree that both sexually active gays and heterosexuals should use condoms if there is a risk of STDs?
All sexual deviant behavior is risky or deadly, this is why one man and one women for life what the Bible says is appropriate sexuality.
Homosexual "sex" is much riskier than heterosexual sex.
I have given this list before but it does need to be repeated.
From the horses own mouth: Here are the problems serious and dangerous problems assciated with the homoseual lifstyle.
Conclusion: In Their Own Words
Even a pro-homosexual organization such as the Gay and Lesbian Medical
Association (GLMA) cannot help but acknowledge the heightened health
risks experienced by homosexuals. In twin press releases in 2002, the GLMA
highlighted ten things gay men should discuss and ten things lesbians
should discuss with their health care providers. Yet they could just as easily
have been labeled top ten reasons why homosexuality is harmful to your
health. Following are excerpts:
Ten Things Gay Men Should Discuss with Their HealthCare Providers
1. HIV/AIDS, Safe Sex
That men who have sex with men are at an increased risk of HIV
infection is well known,the article begins.It also notes thatthe last
few years have seen the return of many unsafe sex practices.
2. Substance Use
Gay men use substances at a higher rate than the general population, and not just in larger communities such as New York, San
Francisco, and Los Angeles. These include a number of substances
ranging from amyl nitrate (poppers), to marijuana, Ecstasy, and
amphetamines. The long-term effects of many of these substances
are unknown; however current wisdom suggests potentially serious
consequences as we age.
3. Depression/Anxiety
Depression and anxiety appear to affect gay men at a higher rate
than in the general population. The article adds, Adolescents and
young adults may be at particularly high risk of suicide because of
these concerns.
4. Hepatitis Immunization
Men who have sex with men are at an increased risk of sexually
transmitted infection with the viruses that cause the serious condition of the liver known as hepatitis. These infections can be potentially fatal, and can lead to very serious long-term issues such as
cirrhosis and liver cancer.
5. STDs
Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) occur in sexually active gay
men at a high rate. The article notes that these include STD infec-
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tions for which no cure is available (HIV, Hepatitis A, B, or C virus,
Human Papilloma Virus, etc.).
6. Prostate, Testicular, and Colon Cancer
Gay men may be at risk for death by prostate, testicular, or colon
cancer.
7. Alcohol
Although more recent studies have improved our understanding of
alcohol use in the gay community, it is still thought that gay men
have higher rates of alcohol dependence and abuse than straight
men.
8. Tobacco
Recent studies seem to support the notion that gay men use tobacco
at much higher rates than straight men, reaching nearly 50 percent
in several studies. Tobacco-related health problems include lung disease and lung cancer, heart disease, high blood pressure, and a whole
host of other serious problems.
9. Fitness (Diet and Exercise)
Problems with body image are more common among gay men than
their straight counterparts, and gay men are much more likely to
experience an eating disorder such as bulimia or anorexia nervosa.
The article adds, The use of substances such as anabolic steroids
and certain supplements can adversely affect health. At the opposite
end of the spectrum, overweight and obesity are problems that also
affect a large subset of the gay community. This can cause a number
of health problems, including diabetes, high blood pressure, and
heart disease.
10. Anal Papilloma
Of all the sexually transmitted infections gay men are at risk for,
human papilloma virus"which cause anal and genital warts"is
often thought to be little more than an unsightly inconvenience.
However, these infections may play a role in the increased rates of
anal cancers in gay men. The article also warns that recurrences of
the warts are very common, and the rate at which the infection can
be spread between partners is very high.
Vincent M. B. Silenzio, MD, Ten Things Gay Men Should Discuss with their Health Care
Providers: Commentary, online at: http://www.glma.org/news/releases/n0207 ... hings.html
(accessed November 4, 2003).
Ten Things Lesbians Should Discuss with Their HealthCare Providers
1. Breast Cancer
Lesbians have the richest concentration of risk factors for this
cancer than [sic] any subset of women in the world.
2. Depression/Anxiety
Lesbians have been shown to experience chronic stress (The
author attributes this to homophobic discrimination, but offers no
evidence to support that conclusion.)
3. Gynecological Cancer
Lesbians have higher risks for some of the gynecologic cancers.
4. Fitness
Research confirms that lesbians have higher body mass than heterosexual women. Obesity is associated with higher rates of heart
disease, cancers, and premature death.
5. Substance Use
Research indicates that illicit drugs may be used more often among
lesbians than heterosexual women.
6. Tobacco
Research also indicates that tobacco and smoking products may be
used more often by lesbians than by heterosexual women. Whether
smoking is used as a tension reducer or for social interactions, addiction often follows and is associated with higher rates of cancers,
heart disease, and emphysema"the three major causes of death
among all women.
7. Alcohol
Alcohol use and abuse may be higher among lesbians.
8. Domestic Violence
Domestic violence is reported to occur in about 11 percent of lesbian homes, the article states. It goes on to claim that this is about
half the rate of 20 percent reported by heterosexual women. However, this comparison fails to note that the highest rates of domestic
violence among heterosexuals occur among those who are divorced,
separated, cohabiting, or in sexual relationships outside of marriage;
married women experience the lowest rates of domestic violence of
any household arrangement.
See Callie Marie Rennison, Intimate Partner Violence and Age of Victim, 1993"99, Bureau
of Justice Statistics Special Report, U.S. Department of Justice, Office of Justice Programs (revised
November 28, 2001), 9"10.
9. Osteoporosis
The rates and risks of osteoporosis among lesbians have not been
well characterized yet.
10. Heart Health
Smoking and obesity are the most prevalent risk factors for heart
disease among lesbians, the article reports.
Katherine A. OHanlan, MD,Ten Things Lesbians Should Discuss with their Health Care Providers: Commentary, online at: http://www.glma.org/news/releases/n0207 ... hings.html
(accessed November 4, 2003).
https://downloads.frc.org/EF/EF08L44.pdf
Well, one factor that may lead to "risky behavior" among gays is the stigma and abuse against them caused by Judeo-Christian beliefs.
I addressed this above abuse is not the reason for the destructive behavior i the homosexual community.
You're comparing apples and oranges here. Christians in foreign countries and homosexuals in America are two very different groups of people. Christians may be unlikely to commit suicide because of their belief in hell and other superstitions that gays may not have. In any case, Christians not committing suicide due to abuse in no way demonstrates that homosexuals do not commit suicide because gays are abused.
The suicide rate is the same regardless of the country homosexuals are in. Again even in Norway they the suicide rate is the same as in the US. Suicide rate did not increase this much among Africans when they were enslaved in here in the United states.
So again you are making an empty argument.
If people look to the Bible hoping it has the key to immortality, then such hope may cause them to deny its very obvious antisocial and destructive injunctions.
Again that is not what the research shows.
Religious/spiritual beliefs and practices are commonly used by both medical and psychiatric patients to cope with illness and other stressful life changes. A large volume of research shows that people who are more R/S have better mental health and adapt more quickly to health problems compared to those who are less R/S. These possible benefits to mental health and well-being have physiological consequences that impact physical health, affect the risk of disease, and influence response to treatment. In this paper I have reviewed and summarized hundreds of quantitative original data-based research.
For more reading:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3671693/
How you can fail to see how barbaric that is is very troubling to me. Are you turning a blind eye to that barbarism because you hope to get to heaven? (See above.)
No, I am living in a real world in which there is justice for the victims. Where there are consequences for behaviors. There are always consequences for behaviors even when people refuse to see the obvious for what it is.
Homosexuality is not the same as pedophilia. Most homosexuals are not pedophiles. In fact, most pedophiles are heterosexuals.
Not true; Homosexual is defined as: a person who is sexually attracted to people of their own sex.
The definition has nothing to do with age. People try to redefine a great many things when the facts do not fit their narrative.
Actually, the Bible does not specify an age at which boys or girls are "ripe" for marriage and procreation. So as far as the Bible is concerned, there is no such thing as "underage sex." Some have speculated that Mary could have been as young as twelve when she became pregnant with Jesus.
In Bible times those 12 and older were considered adults. Different cultures have different ages for adult hood
So I don't see how the Bible's laws protect "the innocent." Gay sex between two consenting adults is harmless if done safely.
This is not true homosexual acts are not safe look at the list above.
Why can't your God figure all this out if I can? It seems really stupid for him to create gays only to kill them when they act on the urges he created them with.
Men are not created to engage in this sort of sin. Men are hardwired with some innate information, like speech. Morality is also hardwired in to man. This is why people who commit homosexual acts are depressed to the point that they want to commit suicide. This is why there is no therapy that has decreased the problem that homosexuals have with suicide.
You can believe all you want that homosexuality is morally right and good. But what people believe does not matter because it is hardwired into human that homosexuality is wrong.
It is interesting that the homosexual suicide rate 4 times higher than the national average because criminals have the same suicide rate. Both are caused because they have violated their innate moral code that is hardwired into them.
One risk we need to warn them of is Christian anti-gay abuse. It is a danger that homosexuals need to be warned about.
Again it does not matter whether there is abuse or not the problems with homosexuality still remain. Christian morality is the only answer to the issues that homosexuals face.
