Five Fundamentals of the (Christian) Faith

[SallyF]

FIVE FUNDAMENTALS OF THE FAITH

There are five fundamentals of the faith which are essential for Christianity, and upon which we agree:
1. The Deity of our Lord Jesus Christ (John 1:1; John 20:28; Hebrews 1:8-9).
2. The Virgin Birth (Isaiah 7:14; Matthew 1:23; Luke 1:27).
3. The Blood Atonement (Acts 20:28; Romans 3:25, 5:9; Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 9:12-14).
4. The Bodily Resurrection (Luke 24:36-46; 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, 15:14-15).
5. The inerrancy of the scriptures themselves (Psalms 12:6-7; Romans 15:4; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 Peter 1:20). [1]

And those who disagree with any of the above doctrines are not Christians at all. Rather, they are the true heretics. http://www.eaec.org/bibleanswers/five_f ... _faith.htm

As - in my view - Progressive Christians toss more and more ballast out of the hot air balloon of their diminishing faith, more and more the feet of clay upon which the edifices of Christian faith were built are exposed.

Are Progressive Christians "true heretics".

[Tcg]

Well, I'm a progressive, liberal Christian, and I don't much care if narrow-minded fundamentalists consider me a heretic. Come judgement day, we'll find out who's right, and I'm rather looking forward to that.

Looking forward to the end of one's life isn't particularly healthy especially given that it is the only life one knows for sure they'll ever have.

Looking forward to the end of other's lives in order to prove a point of some sort is a component I'd not expect of any version of Christianity, progressively liberal or otherwise.


Tcg

[2ndRateMind]

Well, I'm a progressive, liberal Christian, and I don't much care if narrow-minded fundamentalists consider me a heretic. Come judgement day, we'll find out who's right, and I'm rather looking forward to that.

Looking forward to the end of one's life isn't particularly healthy especially given that it is the only life one knows for sure they'll ever have.

So, you think the existential fear of death (which is a necessary end), preferable to coming to terms with one's own mortality?

Best wishes, 2RM.

[Tcg]

Well, I'm a progressive, liberal Christian, and I don't much care if narrow-minded fundamentalists consider me a heretic. Come judgement day, we'll find out who's right, and I'm rather looking forward to that.

Looking forward to the end of one's life isn't particularly healthy especially given that it is the only life one knows for sure they'll ever have.

So, you think the existential fear of death (which is a necessary end), preferable to coming to terms with one's own mortality?

I addressed the unhealthiness of looking forward to one's death. This reply fails to address that.


Tcg

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 62 by Tcg]

OK. I think I addressed the implications of your point, rather than the point itself.

So, I am not looking forward to dying, only to the resolution of this, and other debates, come the end of days, when all truths are known.

Best wishes, 2RM

[Tcg]

[Replying to post 62 by Tcg]

So, I am not looking forward to dying, only to the resolution of this, and other debates, come the end of days, when all truths are known.

Best wishes, 2RM

That is a contradictory claim. The resolution, according to your unsupportable beliefs, can only come once you are dead.

If you are looking forward to this supposed, but unevidenced resolution, then you are looking forward to your death.


Tcg

[2ndRateMind]

[Replying to post 64 by Tcg]

So, let's examine this. In what way does looking forward to death (and I would like to live as long as anyone else) involve the resolution of theological and philosophical discussions? In what way does such resolution depend on death? The two, I admit, would not seem prima facie mutually dependent.

I would far prefer all these gritty issues be resolved within my lifetime, but, given that humanity has been discussing them for some 6000 years past, and maybe more, it does not seem likely.

What does seem likely (to me, anyway, as a believer) is that God will vindicate His own, for all eternity. And to vindicate them, He must surely reward their virtues and 'Godliness', and proximation on truth. And so, if we are to be transparently judged, we must know why we are being so judged, to accept the judgement, and that is how the issues of death and resolved debate become entangled.

Best wishes, 2RM.

[Elijah John]

[Replying to post 49 by Mithrae]

Many progressive Christians are atheists.

Capitalisation or not, I still consider the notion an oxymoron.

Traditional/Fundamentalist Christians who have not tossed most of the ballast out of their belief balloons are likely to agree, I suggest, and scream "HERETIC", very loudly.

For example:

Heresy [2] Heresy: What Is At Stake?
Who is a Christian? Can we call those who reject the cardinal doctrines of the Christian faith - Christians? Liberal theologians say they believe in God, but what is unclear is why they do so and what they mean by God. They seem to take pride in how far they can push the theological envelope, as if the departure from orthodox theology is a guarantee of daring and originality. One can cite numerous examples of church leaders who consider themselves progressive and saviors of the church. https://www.reformedfellowship.net/here ... s-at-stake

The original Christians (including the apostles) believed in God, but there is scant evidence that believed that Jesus was God. In that light, who were true heretics? Those who believed the Father alone is God? Or proto and actual Trinitarians, those who worship Jesus as God.

If the latter, that is a violation of the first Commandment. Can those who violate such a fundamental Commandment be considered the "true Christians"?