If you asked a child the quote below what would they say?

[Wootah]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #36]

I'll ask again:

If I went up to a child and said

'Who created the heavens?

'Who created the earth?

'Who created all the people and angels?'

'Who exists before anything else exists?'

If you asked a child the quote below what would they say?


(This is taken from this thread: viewtopic.php?p=1134599#p1134599)

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If I went up to a child and said

'Who created the heavens?

'Who created the earth?

'Who created all the people and angels?'

'Who exists before anything else exists?'

If you asked a child the quote below what would they say?

Could they answer "creator"?

Now, if it is not too much, I would like to ask you:
Bible tells Jesus is the image of God. Is an image the same as the source of the image?

[Wootah]

If I went up to a child and said

'Who created the heavens?

'Who created the earth?

'Who created all the people and angels?'

'Who exists before anything else exists?'

If you asked a child the quote below what would they say?

Could they answer "creator"?

Now, if it is not too much, I would like to ask you:
Bible tells Jesus is the image of God. Is an image the same as the source of the image?

Are you answering God?

[TRANSPONDER]

Since a Child is deemed as anything under 17 (they seem to be trying to raise it 18 except in Hollywood where they apparently want to make it below 10) a 6 year old might well say 'God' if they had been indoctrinated, or 'don't know' if they hadn't or, like Topsy the black kid who seemed to me smarter that the white woman who asked who made her: "Ah 'spect ah growed".

Smart answer, and one that any "Child" over 11 would answer (unless indoctrinated by creationism). Then the question would change to: 'But who made what started off everything that growed in the first place?" In which case the kid (smart atheist educated by the Illuminati in our underground world domination (1) facility under Denver airport) would say: "Different question. Well everything goes back biologically to the first reproducing molecule, and there is a hypothesis for that, that doesn't need a Creator". As for mineral, that goes back to cosmic origins, and the right answer is 'We don't know', not "A creator".

So, dudes and dudesses, the attempt to get a kid to make a kneejerk 'Ooo- wow... I guess a Creator mustha dunnit' to somehow force creationism on materialists on the flawed grounds that a Creator is obvious even to a six year old, so You - wall orta accept it, too, and not suppose that the information a child had (under 11, anyway) is so limited, YE Creationists can offload their creationist garbage into their empty little heads.

Really, the theists accuse atheists of pretending to intellectual superiority, but in fact it's the kneejerk debunk of a projected perception by theist apologists that atheists argue so much better, because of pitiful attempts at Gochas like this.

(1) If I could sue spellcheck for $100 every time they said a word didn't exist, I'd have my own learjet.

[Purple Knight]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #36]

I'll ask again:

If I went up to a child and said

'Who created the heavens?

'Who created the earth?

'Who created all the people and angels?'

'Who exists before anything else exists?'

If you asked a child the quote below what would they say?

They would inadvertently concede a creator because the questions you're asking presuppose that someone did it, and you thus led them into that concession, and as you expect from a child, they're not going to be smart enough to see through that deception.

If you asked an honest question to a child who hadn't had any previous indoctrination one way or another, and asked them, "Was the universe made by anyone, or has it always existed?" I expect you'd randomly get either choice since the inconvenient truth is that nobody knows the answer to that. You might get about 60% created answers simply because evolution favoured the minds that thought like that with (non-incidentally) greater agency when creating things for themselves, and (more incidentally) religions that provided group protection.

(1) If I could sue spellcheck for $100 every time they said a word didn't exist, I'd have my own learjet.

I pretty much agree with the rest but I mainly upvoted this. Disproven apparently isn't a word.

[William]

Agreed.

The questions posed are clearly leading questions, purposefully worded in order that the hearer/reader-child has to answer "who" the "who" is.

Of course, generally that is the role of religion to be the entity which "explains" who the who is.

Along with that, are a great variety of "who's" offered by religion(s) for consideration...something children are generally not able to understand the nuances of, and rely on understandable adult explanations.

Whatever answers a child might offer more often than not, will be considered by the adult asking the child the questions, as being "childish".

[JehovahsWitness]

If you asked an honest question to a child who hadn't had any previous indoctrination one way or another, and asked them, "Was the universe made by anyone, or has it always existed?" I expect you'd randomly get either choice since the inconvenient truth is that nobody knows the answer to that.

I disagree; children automatically assume something came from something ( or someone) which is why, as soon as they can formulate the question they ask "who"? Why?" and "where?"

Who made the sky
Who put the stars up there?
Where do babies come from?
Why are butterflies pretty

.... and on and on ....and on..

They ask "why" because they presume that there must be a reason (and are instinctively unsatisfied with "nobody knows" )

Why is the sky blue? You may get away with explaining HOW the sky appears blue but if your child is especially tenacious they will not be distracted by descriptions of atmosphere and air molecules and will STILL come back with WHY is it blue or WHO made it blue.

There is a natural order in the world around us and it takes years of education (and perhaps a college degree) to squash the instinctive conclusion the observable paradigm of "cause and effect" lead'us to as little children.




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[Wootah]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #7]

So what would a child answer?

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #7]

So what would a child answer?

Depends on their age and education. A very little child under five might say Santa or Superman or Grandpa.
If their parents are religious they will probably say "God" If not they might say they dont know ... If their parents were Jehovah's Witnesses there is little doubt they would say "JEHOVAH"

[Wootah]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #9]

Would you say God?