Abortion and Marriage

[jcrawford]

What if abortions were kept legal within the reproductive and privacy rights granted in marriage only, and then only with consent of both spouses? If singles want either a child or an abortion, they would have to get parental consent or married, or would be considered married by the state, in either eventuality.

This way, all reproductive decisions would be made privately, by the parties concerned, and would be no one's else's business at all.

How would that play out in different scenarios, from a Christian or non-Christian POV?

[McCulloch]

Our secular (religiously neutral) states make laws that apply equally to all.

I don't know about up there in Canada now, but down here in NY State, they allow secular Jews and atheistic abortionists to practice their art on the wives and daughters of white and black American Christians and Muslims without their knowledge and consent.

Yes, our laws apply equally to all, regardless of religion. Any woman past the age of majority, regardless of religion or marital status, can seek an abortion without the need for the knowledge or consent of any man. We do not make exceptions for women who are married to black American Christians. Do you think that we should? Why?

[jcrawford]

jcrawford wrote:

...they allow secular Jews and atheistic abortionists to practice their art on the wives and daughters of white and black American Christians and Muslims without their knowledge and consent.

I don't believe I am reading that. What could you ever mean by "secular Jews and atheistic abortionists"?
Do you no the background and religion of doctors performing abortions?
How many are white or how many of those doctors are black?

I'm calling on NYS AG Eliot Spitzer to investigate whether equal opportunities are being offered black and Jewish abortionists in the baby killing business.

Since we know there are many more Jewish doctors than African American doctors in NYC alone, we may logically assume that many more Jewish doctors own and operate abortion mills in NYS than African American doctors do, until Eliot completes his investigation.

If they have the consent of daughters and wives they don't need anyone else.

I'm sure Christians and Muslims don't actually sign any consent form giving atheists and secular Jews the right to abort their fetuses.

[jcrawford]

We do not make exceptions for women who are married to black American Christians. Do you think that we should? Why?

Because the white atheists and secular Jews running and promoting the abortion mills are decimating African American communities and the American Christian population at large. We've lost and are missing over 40 million American babies so far. Feticide practiced on the religious majority of the population is a form of genocide, and Eliot Spitzer advocates abortion rights for secular atheists and Jewish doctors to kill white and black American Christian babies in their mother's wombs.

Rather Herodian, wouldn't you say, seeing how the Messiah may be on his way?

[Cathar1950]

Rather Herodian, wouldn't you say, seeing how the Messiah may be on his way?

Are you suggesting that the Messiah is going to be born again as a child?
So maybe these secular Jewish, and atheist doctors are working for the devil and he will return as either a black or white Christians or a Muslim?
Interesting theory you have there. Are you starting your own church? I am sure there are some already some you can fit right in, and maybe become a leader.

[McCulloch]

Because the white atheists and secular Jews running and promoting the abortion mills are decimating African American communities and the American Christian population at large. We've lost and are missing over 40 million American babies so far. Feticide practiced on the religious majority of the population is a form of genocide, and Eliot Spitzer advocates abortion rights for secular atheists and Jewish doctors to kill white and black American Christian babies in their mother's wombs.

Rather Herodian, wouldn't you say, seeing how the Messiah may be on his way?

No I wouldn't. There is a significant difference. The story of the Herod's slaughter of the innocents was a brutal act done against the will of the people involved.
No abortion is done legally in this country or yours without the explicit request (not just permission) of the woman who's pregnancy is being ended. Your problem would be solved if you could convince the wives, daughters and girl-friends of black American Christians to choose not to abort.

[jcrawford]

No abortion is done legally in this country or yours without the explicit request (not just permission) of the woman who's pregnancy is being ended.

No explicit requests or written confirmations of any American women giving permission to white atheists or Jewish abortionists to abort Christian or Muslim babies exist. These abortions are all being done in state secrecy and Eliot Spitzer refuses to investigate and expose the medical billing and killing fraud going on in NYC abortions mills.

Your problem would be solved if you could convince the wives, daughters and girl-friends of black American Christians to choose not to abort.

Our problems in America will be solved when white and black American Christians stop voting for non-Christians who campaign on homosexual marriage rights for white men, abortion rights for the wives of Christian men, and abortion rights for atheistic and secular doctors whose religious identities remain private.

[Cathar1950]

No explicit requests or written confirmations of any American women giving permission to white atheists or Jewish abortionists to abort Christian or Muslim babies exist. These abortions are all being done in state secrecy and Eliot Spitzer refuses to investigate and expose the medical billing and killing fraud going on in NYC abortions mills.

You have no idea what you are talking about , do you?
Do you really believe that Christian's and Muslim's are being given abortions against their will by white and Jewish doctors? Do you believe in some secret plot is happening to kill Christian babies? It sounds like the Christian charges that the Jews were eating their kids. Funny but it was the Christians that insist that they are drinking Christ blood and eating his flesh. Something Paul envisioned confusing the fellowship meal with rites from the mystery religions and later regurgitated in the gospels.
I think you have lost it.

[jcrawford]

No explicit requests or written confirmations of any American women giving permission to white atheists or Jewish abortionists to abort Christian or Muslim babies exist. These abortions are all being done in state secrecy and Eliot Spitzer refuses to investigate and expose the medical billing and killing fraud going on in NYC abortions mills.

You have no idea what you are talking about , do you?

Of course I do. Do you?

Do you really believe that Christian's and Muslim's are being given abortions against their will by white and Jewish doctors?

Yes. That is why I am calling on AG Spitzer to verify and produce the abortion documents which contain the written consents of Christian and Muslim wives to have atheistic or secular Jewish doctors perform abortions on them. Until such evidence is forthcoming, there is no reason to believe that Christian and Muslim women are consenting to have atheists and secular Jewish doctors perform abortions on them.

Do you believe in some secret plot is happening to kill Christian babies?

Yes. That is why atheistic and secular abortion practices are shrouded in claims of medical privacy and secrecy. Abortion clinic operators however, have no more right to refuse a state or federal investigation into their business practices than any other doctors, hospitals or medical practitioners do. Any governor or AG who refuses to conduct legal investigations into the business practices of abortionists is immoral, unethical and corrupt, and should be voted out of office, certainly not into higher office.

[McCulloch]

No abortion is done legally in this country or yours without the explicit request (not just permission) of the woman who's pregnancy is being ended.

No explicit requests or written confirmations of any American women giving permission to white atheists or Jewish abortionists to abort Christian or Muslim babies exist. These abortions are all being done in state secrecy and Eliot Spitzer refuses to investigate and expose the medical billing and killing fraud going on in NYC abortions mills.

Your problem would be solved if you could convince the wives, daughters and girl-friends of black American Christians to choose not to abort.

Our problems in America will be solved when white and black American Christians stop voting for non-Christians who campaign on homosexual marriage rights for white men, abortion rights for the wives of Christian men, and abortion rights for atheistic and secular doctors whose religious identities remain private.

I still don't see how voting against same-sex marriage will help reduce abortion. However, you seem to be advocating a different set of rights to abortion based on the religious beliefs of the husband of the person seeking the abortion.

Do you believe in some secret plot is happening to kill Christian babies?

Yes. That is why atheistic and secular abortion practices are shrouded in claims of medical privacy and secrecy. Abortion clinic operators however, have no more right to refuse a state or federal investigation into their business practices than any other doctors, hospitals or medical practitioners do. Any governor or AG who refuses to conduct legal investigations into the business practices of abortionists is immoral, unethical and corrupt, and should be voted out of office, certainly not into higher office.

So it is easier for you to believe that there is some secret racist anti-christian cabal that is abducting the pregnant wives and daughters of black Christians in America and forcing them to under go unwanted abortions and that these women are not coming forward publicly with any complaints than it is to believe that some of the wives and daughters of these black Christians actually willingly seek abortions.
Do you ever wonder why you may be having a problem getting people to rally to your cause?

[jcrawford]

I still don't see how voting against same-sex marriage will help reduce abortion.

I don't see how voting for homosexual marriage will restore the God-given reproductive and procreative rights of married heterosexual men.

So it is easier for you to believe that there is some secret racist anti-christian cabal that is abducting the pregnant wives and daughters of black Christians in America and forcing them to under go unwanted abortions and that these women are not coming forward publicly with any complaints than it is to believe that some of the wives and daughters of these black Christians actually willingly seek abortions.

Obviously, they are not being abducted, but just brainwashed and persuaded by atheists and secularists into aborting and not having to tell anyone.

Do you ever wonder why you may be having a problem getting people to rally to your cause?

No, because millions of people besides myself are already rallying to the Catholic and Protestant anti-abortion cause against atheistic socialists and secular Jews who promote their so-called rights to kill the offspring of white and black American Christian men without their knowledge and consent.