Will Christians be protected from Gay social goals?

[Mere_Christian]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

[micatala]

Hey, guess what!

I got a phone call from Miss California!


She asked me

"Do you support keeping marriage only between a man and a women legal" or something very close to that. It was a bit of a wierd wording, so that at first it sounded like if you said no, you were for not keeping marriage as it exists now legal. If you missed the word "only" you could have totally misinterpreted the question.


I said no.


She said thank you and hung up.

I can't wait to see what the poll says.

[JoeyKnothead]

Hey, guess what!

I got a phone call from Miss California!


She asked me

"Do you support keeping marriage only between a man and a women legal" or something very close to that. It was a bit of a wierd wording, so that at first it sounded like if you said no, you were for not keeping marriage as it exists now legal. If you missed the word "only" you could have totally misinterpreted the question.


I said no.


She said thank you and hung up.

I can't wait to see what the poll says.

I don't doubt this at all. I've seen more than one poll in my day where the wording was either distorted deliberately, or ignorantly, or both.

[East of Eden]

All things being equal, kids are better off in a home with a mother and father.

Two observations:
Primo, seldom are all things equal.

Secondo, do you have any empirical evidence to back up that children are better off in a home with a father and mother? What do you mean by better off? Better off than what: a single parent household or a equivalent two same-sex parent household?

Juvenile Hall, Prisons, Youth residential facilities (Group Homes), psychiatric facilities, homeless shelters, STD's, drug addiction, school drop outs.

McCulloch, I have worked in the social service field for over twenty years and the percentage of people screwed up, come from the non nuclear family in such large numbers it will stagger you if you care to do a bit of research.

Give a call to Attorney Jeffrey Leving out of Chicago (812) 807-3990. He has some startling figures.

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

I believe there was a vice president that once tried to bring our attention to the problem of broken families. He may have gotten patatoe wrong, but he was dead right about healthy children.

You listed things.. yet.. why, you did not provide evidence. You made yet another series of claims, .. without backup.

Do you know the difference between 'providing evidence' and 'unsupported claims'? Perhaps you can actually provide numbers from a valid source, such as a government agency.

Right, as if the militant gay lobby will allow research into the causes of homosexuality. I posted an article earlier (Remember, you went to a name-calling attack on the author?) that claimed childhood trauma in gay males was a significant factor.

As far as kids being better off in two-parent families, even the liberal Brookings Institute admits that: http://www.azcentral.com/families/artic ... ealth.html

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

[Goat]

All things being equal, kids are better off in a home with a mother and father.

Two observations:
Primo, seldom are all things equal.

Secondo, do you have any empirical evidence to back up that children are better off in a home with a father and mother? What do you mean by better off? Better off than what: a single parent household or a equivalent two same-sex parent household?

Juvenile Hall, Prisons, Youth residential facilities (Group Homes), psychiatric facilities, homeless shelters, STD's, drug addiction, school drop outs.

McCulloch, I have worked in the social service field for over twenty years and the percentage of people screwed up, come from the non nuclear family in such large numbers it will stagger you if you care to do a bit of research.

Give a call to Attorney Jeffrey Leving out of Chicago (812) 807-3990. He has some startling figures.

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

I believe there was a vice president that once tried to bring our attention to the problem of broken families. He may have gotten patatoe wrong, but he was dead right about healthy children.

You listed things.. yet.. why, you did not provide evidence. You made yet another series of claims, .. without backup.

Do you know the difference between 'providing evidence' and 'unsupported claims'? Perhaps you can actually provide numbers from a valid source, such as a government agency.

Right, as if the militant gay lobby will allow research into the causes of homosexuality. I posted an article earlier (Remember, you went to a name-calling attack on the author?) that claimed childhood trauma in gay males was a significant factor.

As far as kids being better off in two-parent families, even the liberal Brookings Institute admits that: http://www.azcentral.com/families/artic ... ealth.html

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

Uh, what does 'two parent families' verses 'single parent familes' have to do with 'gay social goals'? Nor, does it address having a gay couple raise a child

This is entirely a straw man, because you are attacking a position no one is presenting.

[East of Eden]

All things being equal, kids are better off in a home with a mother and father.

Two observations:
Primo, seldom are all things equal.

Secondo, do you have any empirical evidence to back up that children are better off in a home with a father and mother? What do you mean by better off? Better off than what: a single parent household or a equivalent two same-sex parent household?

Juvenile Hall, Prisons, Youth residential facilities (Group Homes), psychiatric facilities, homeless shelters, STD's, drug addiction, school drop outs.

McCulloch, I have worked in the social service field for over twenty years and the percentage of people screwed up, come from the non nuclear family in such large numbers it will stagger you if you care to do a bit of research.

Give a call to Attorney Jeffrey Leving out of Chicago (812) 807-3990. He has some startling figures.

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

I believe there was a vice president that once tried to bring our attention to the problem of broken families. He may have gotten patatoe wrong, but he was dead right about healthy children.

You listed things.. yet.. why, you did not provide evidence. You made yet another series of claims, .. without backup.

Do you know the difference between 'providing evidence' and 'unsupported claims'? Perhaps you can actually provide numbers from a valid source, such as a government agency.

Right, as if the militant gay lobby will allow research into the causes of homosexuality. I posted an article earlier (Remember, you went to a name-calling attack on the author?) that claimed childhood trauma in gay males was a significant factor.

As far as kids being better off in two-parent families, even the liberal Brookings Institute admits that: http://www.azcentral.com/families/artic ... ealth.html

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

Uh, what does 'two parent families' verses 'single parent familes' have to do with 'gay social goals'? Nor, does it address having a gay couple raise a child

This is entirely a straw man, because you are attacking a position no one is presenting.

McCulloch brought up VP Quayle criticizing broken familes, which you then attacked. If you were refering to something else, I stand corrected.

Although I would consider a child raised by two homosexuals to be a 'broken' family.

[Goat]

All things being equal, kids are better off in a home with a mother and father.

Two observations:
Primo, seldom are all things equal.

Secondo, do you have any empirical evidence to back up that children are better off in a home with a father and mother? What do you mean by better off? Better off than what: a single parent household or a equivalent two same-sex parent household?

Juvenile Hall, Prisons, Youth residential facilities (Group Homes), psychiatric facilities, homeless shelters, STD's, drug addiction, school drop outs.

McCulloch, I have worked in the social service field for over twenty years and the percentage of people screwed up, come from the non nuclear family in such large numbers it will stagger you if you care to do a bit of research.

Give a call to Attorney Jeffrey Leving out of Chicago (812) 807-3990. He has some startling figures.

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

I believe there was a vice president that once tried to bring our attention to the problem of broken families. He may have gotten patatoe wrong, but he was dead right about healthy children.

You listed things.. yet.. why, you did not provide evidence. You made yet another series of claims, .. without backup.

Do you know the difference between 'providing evidence' and 'unsupported claims'? Perhaps you can actually provide numbers from a valid source, such as a government agency.

Right, as if the militant gay lobby will allow research into the causes of homosexuality. I posted an article earlier (Remember, you went to a name-calling attack on the author?) that claimed childhood trauma in gay males was a significant factor.

As far as kids being better off in two-parent families, even the liberal Brookings Institute admits that: http://www.azcentral.com/families/artic ... ealth.html

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

Uh, what does 'two parent families' verses 'single parent familes' have to do with 'gay social goals'? Nor, does it address having a gay couple raise a child

This is entirely a straw man, because you are attacking a position no one is presenting.

McCulloch brought up VP Quayle criticizing broken familes, which you then attacked. If you were refering to something else, I stand corrected.

Although I would consider a child raised by two homosexuals to be a 'broken' family.

I am sure you do.. but have you compared the statistics between a child rased by two same gender parents verses a single parent?

And just because you consider it a 'broken' home doesn't mean the child, or his parents do.

And , upon reading what McCulloch actually wrote is he didn't mention 'father and mother' vs two parents at all. you are still making a straw man from his argument and distorting it.

[East of Eden]

All things being equal, kids are better off in a home with a mother and father.

Two observations:
Primo, seldom are all things equal.

Secondo, do you have any empirical evidence to back up that children are better off in a home with a father and mother? What do you mean by better off? Better off than what: a single parent household or a equivalent two same-sex parent household?

Juvenile Hall, Prisons, Youth residential facilities (Group Homes), psychiatric facilities, homeless shelters, STD's, drug addiction, school drop outs.

McCulloch, I have worked in the social service field for over twenty years and the percentage of people screwed up, come from the non nuclear family in such large numbers it will stagger you if you care to do a bit of research.

Give a call to Attorney Jeffrey Leving out of Chicago (812) 807-3990. He has some startling figures.

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

I believe there was a vice president that once tried to bring our attention to the problem of broken families. He may have gotten patatoe wrong, but he was dead right about healthy children.

You listed things.. yet.. why, you did not provide evidence. You made yet another series of claims, .. without backup.

Do you know the difference between 'providing evidence' and 'unsupported claims'? Perhaps you can actually provide numbers from a valid source, such as a government agency.

Right, as if the militant gay lobby will allow research into the causes of homosexuality. I posted an article earlier (Remember, you went to a name-calling attack on the author?) that claimed childhood trauma in gay males was a significant factor.

As far as kids being better off in two-parent families, even the liberal Brookings Institute admits that: http://www.azcentral.com/families/artic ... ealth.html

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

Uh, what does 'two parent families' verses 'single parent familes' have to do with 'gay social goals'? Nor, does it address having a gay couple raise a child

This is entirely a straw man, because you are attacking a position no one is presenting.

McCulloch brought up VP Quayle criticizing broken familes, which you then attacked. If you were refering to something else, I stand corrected.

Although I would consider a child raised by two homosexuals to be a 'broken' family.

I am sure you do.. but have you compared the statistics between a child rased by two same gender parents verses a single parent?

Both your examples are less than ideal.

And just because you consider it a 'broken' home doesn't mean the child, or his parents do.

And they may consider the moon made of green cheese, but such a home does not have the needed mother and father.

[Goat]

I am sure you do.. but have you compared the statistics between a child rased by two same gender parents verses a single parent?

Both your examples are less than ideal.

Would you care to provide actual evidence, rather than a handwaving dismissil based on confirmation bias?

And just because you consider it a 'broken' home doesn't mean the child, or his parents do.

And they may consider the moon made of green cheese, but such a home does not have the needed mother and father.

Would you care to provide actual evidence, rather than a sarcastic remark? Can you actually address what is said, and not what you want someone to say?

[McCulloch]

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

I don't see what this has to do with allowing same sex marriage or the gay social goals or even the protection Christians claim that they need from said gay social goals. I don't know of any gay couples who wish to move children from stable families into foster care. Do you?

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

We don't know if stable descent gay couples can properly raise children, therefore it should be illegal. I am glad that kind of thinking does not steer my country's policy.

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

So your answer is to deny gay couples the right to marry and guarantee that their children remain in single parent homes. Really smart that!

[East of Eden]

Opposing gay goals for society has nothing at all to do with bigotry or civil rights violations, but with a sensible rationale for the mental and physical health of children. Children within the foster family system (loving and warm as it may be) litter the juvenile justice system.

I don't see what this has to do with allowing same sex marriage or the gay social goals or even the protection Christians claim that they need from said gay social goals. I don't know of any gay couples who wish to move children from stable families into foster care. Do you?

Uh, I didn't write that.

Gay rights is a very new structure for the family makeup. It will take time to see what this does to children. It does not bode well for expectations based on current pop culture that same-gender "parents" will raise people with a stable mental health.

We don't know if stable descent gay couples can properly raise children, therefore it should be illegal. I am glad that kind of thinking does not steer my country's policy.

Didn't write that either.

80% of prison inmates come from single parent homes. Take that factor out of the equation and black/white crime rates are about the same.

So your answer is to deny gay couples the right to marry and guarantee that their children remain in single parent homes. Really smart that!

Out of context. My statistic was in answer (if I remember right) to someone who said there's nothing wrong with children being raised on single-parent household.

It is related to the gay marriage debate in that a gay couple are still deficient just as a single parent household is - there is no mother and father present.