Why are gay people a Christian target?

Colorado127 · Post by **Colorado127** » Fri May 28, 2004 4:41 pm

I am perplexed by fundamentalist christians that are always targeting gay people. They want to pass all sorts of laws restricting rights and privileges that everyone else has. What frustrates me the most is that they seem to be tunnel-visioned on gays. There are many things in the christian bible that they could talk about. I bet you there are more adulterers in the US than gay people and adultery is a ten commandments topic. What about honoring your parents? Can we focus on that for a while? This gay marriage thing being a religious idea only? I know of several religions that encourage gay people to find partners to marry including Unity, Unitarian Universalists and the Quakers.

I believe that gay people are the target because the christian religion, or its higher ups, have nothing else to target? They have lost the battle with alcohol and porn, they used to say black people couldn't marry white people but can't do that anymore. They try to stop drugs but you can't pass any more laws about that. Ok I'm being a bit out there, but really, Christianity has been losing its control over its flock for decades, if not centuries. Every sociologist and psychology person can easily see that when someone or some group sees its former control waning they will do anything to regain it. It's a desparate act. These fundamentalist christians have to find something to rally the troops.....wha-laa!.....gay people. A marginalized group in our over masculinized, sports culture that many people feel uncomfortable with. From history, the Nazi's for example, we know that hate is an excellent way to mobilize a group.

Isn't it blatantly unconstitutional to forbid the marriage of two people? In Virginia they want to outlaw any 'marraige like' contracts between two people of the same sex, doesn't that seem unconstitutional? The sodomy laws that Chief Justice Souter condemned was obviously directed at gay men. The 14th amendments says no state shall pass a law abridging the rights of its citizens. The only people saying I cannot marry another guy is christians? Right there we have a church-state conflict.

Ok, let me have it!

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 4:58 pm

Noachian wrote:I'm afraid its a fact that gays are trying to outlaw Christian employment.......you cant deny it, they have campaigns about it and every thing........they wont do it though, Christianity covers two 3rds of the wrolds population and alot of those are actual Christians not just atheists who have been Christened.

What do you mean by Christian employment? If you mean that there is an attempt being made to prohibit practicing Christians from being employed, please do provide evidence. If, on the other hand, you mean, that someone is trying to prevent discrimination in the workplace based on adherence or non-adherence to religious principles, then yes, the Human Rights movement is all for that.

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:33 pm

Noachian wrote:I'm afraid its a fact that gays are trying to outlaw Christian employment.......you cant deny it, they have campaigns about it and every thing........they wont do it though, Christianity covers two 3rds of the wrolds population and alot of those are actual Christians not just atheists who have been Christened.

What exactly are you smoking and why aren't you sharing?

Chem · Post by **Chem** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 6:29 am

I'm afraid its a fact that gays are trying to outlaw Christian employment.......you cant deny it, they have campaigns about it and every thing........they wont do it though, Christianity covers two 3rds of the wrolds population and alot of those are actual Christians not just atheists who have been Christened.

Thank God for these Christians and be damned anybody who wants to throw them to the lions!

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Thu Oct 19, 2006 10:47 am

Noachian wrote:I see your point on Christians trying to outlaw homosexuality, but I've said before to offten people create thier own laws and morals instead of following God's, the Bible says "Let him who is wicked continue to be wicked" so gays, just let em be gay.

That is very good of you. Too bad that this level of toleration was not more common.

Noachian wrote:But what you really didnt know is that gays are trying to stop Christians having jobs,,,,,,now thats scary.

I've missed any evidence of this. You must prove two things. Firstly, that there is an organized effort to prohibit Christians from getting jobs. Secondly, that it is the gay community that is behind such an effort. I doubt that you can even get past the first one.

Noachian wrote:Gays and Christians can easly get along,

Only if the Christians stop trying to impose their faith based values on everyone else.

Noachian wrote:I went to a ceminar and the scientist there anounced it to us that gays dont want Christians to be employed expecialy jobs reqiring social communication (e.g. police, army etc).

Ok, now you are closer to real evidence. Where and when was this seminar? Who is the scientist? Is he qualified to speak for the gay community? Did he state that gays don't want Christians in certain types of jobs or did he actually accuse the gay community of acting on that preference?

Noachian wrote:I'm afraid its a fact that gays are trying to outlaw Christian employment.......you cant deny it,

Well, actually, without any evidence, I can deny it.

Noachian wrote:they have campaigns about it and every thing

Then it should be a simple task to present some evidence.

Ronin · Post by **Ronin** » Tue Oct 31, 2006 9:14 am

First I have to ask Where in the constitution did it say that marriage is a "right"? We are told what we can and can't do by our government in many things. Lets leave that there for now. We don't care!!! it may seem like that is all Christians care about. Thats because it's such a national topic. I think most Christians don't really care if gays do get married or not. As a Christian I sure don't. I have my own soul to deal with, I don't have time to worry about what my gay neighbore is doing!!! It seems to me that the gay comunity needs it's villians,like most causes. Christians have a problam with the physical act of homosexuality.

MagusYanam · Post by **MagusYanam** » Thu Nov 09, 2006 10:48 pm

Ronin wrote:Christians have a problam with the physical act of homosexuality.

But apparently no problem with mediaeval Japanese thugs who made a pastime of butchering and raping people less fortunate than themselves?

But that's beside the point.

Ronin wrote:Thats because it's such a national topic. I think most Christians don't really care if gays do get married or not.

Gay marriage was not made an issue until the religious right made it their rallying cry - I guess fundamentalists need their villains, too. I agree with your point that a lot of Christians don't really care one way or the other whether or not gays get married - it isn't your decision and it isn't mine what other people do with their lives. But I think we do have a responsibility to ensure that everyone gets equal treatment under the law. Since it is officials of the law that draw up marriage licenses, gay marriage becomes a legal issue.

Galphanore · Post by **Galphanore** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 10:29 am

Noachian wrote:But what you really didnt know is that gays are trying to stop Christians having jobs,,,,,,now thats scary. Gays and Christians can easly get along, I know pleanty of gays but if they in anyway try the campaign of Christians not being employed I would have him/her reported to the police

Uhm....no. Why would they possibly want to stop Christians from having jobs? That doesn't even make sense. Though it does sound remarkably similar to a claim made by the same group of people during the last couple hundred years that "if we make the black man equal he'll steal all our jobs!". You sure that person wasn't just confused about which group he hates that he was talking about?

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:42 pm

Noachian wrote:But what you really didnt know is that gays are trying to stop Christians having jobs,,,,,,now thats scary.

Galphanore wrote:Why would they possibly want to stop Christians from having jobs? That doesn't even make sense.

Reminds me of a Christian friend of mine who lost his job. He worked with the public and he felt compelled to share the good news with members of the public that he was working with while on the job. He was told not to preach while at work. He continued. Obey God rather than man. He was let go. He is now one of those persecuted Christians who lost his job because he is a practicing Christian.

Cephus · Post by **Cephus** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:48 pm

McCulloch wrote:Reminds me of a Christian friend of mine who lost his job. He worked with the public and he felt compelled to share the good news with members of the public that he was working with while on the job. He was told not to preach while at work. He continued. Obey God rather than man. He was let go. He is now one of those persecuted Christians who lost his job because he is a practicing Christian.

No, he lost his job because he was a jerk, not because he was a Christian. Unfortunately, the two go together more often than not.

Galphanore · Post by **Galphanore** » Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:56 pm

Cephus wrote:
McCulloch wrote:Reminds me of a Christian friend of mine who lost his job. He worked with the public and he felt compelled to share the good news with members of the public that he was working with while on the job. He was told not to preach while at work. He continued. Obey God rather than man. He was let go. He is now one of those persecuted Christians who lost his job because he is a practicing Christian.
No, he lost his job because he was a jerk, not because he was a Christian. Unfortunately, the two go together more often than not.

...That was McColloch's point.