Why are gay people a Christian target?

[Colorado127]

I am perplexed by fundamentalist christians that are always targeting gay people. They want to pass all sorts of laws restricting rights and privileges that everyone else has. What frustrates me the most is that they seem to be tunnel-visioned on gays. There are many things in the christian bible that they could talk about. I bet you there are more adulterers in the US than gay people and adultery is a ten commandments topic. What about honoring your parents? Can we focus on that for a while? This gay marriage thing being a religious idea only? I know of several religions that encourage gay people to find partners to marry including Unity, Unitarian Universalists and the Quakers.

I believe that gay people are the target because the christian religion, or its higher ups, have nothing else to target? They have lost the battle with alcohol and porn, they used to say black people couldn't marry white people but can't do that anymore. They try to stop drugs but you can't pass any more laws about that. Ok I'm being a bit out there, but really, Christianity has been losing its control over its flock for decades, if not centuries. Every sociologist and psychology person can easily see that when someone or some group sees its former control waning they will do anything to regain it. It's a desparate act. These fundamentalist christians have to find something to rally the troops.....wha-laa!.....gay people. A marginalized group in our over masculinized, sports culture that many people feel uncomfortable with. From history, the Nazi's for example, we know that hate is an excellent way to mobilize a group.

Isn't it blatantly unconstitutional to forbid the marriage of two people? In Virginia they want to outlaw any 'marraige like' contracts between two people of the same sex, doesn't that seem unconstitutional? The sodomy laws that Chief Justice Souter condemned was obviously directed at gay men. The 14th amendments says no state shall pass a law abridging the rights of its citizens. The only people saying I cannot marry another guy is christians? Right there we have a church-state conflict.

Ok, let me have it!

[faith]

daedalus 2.0"]

Again did any of the prophets or indeed the Kings of Israel marry a man?
Then why do you ask me to prove that which is proved by the fact no one man ever married another man, and no woman ever married another woman, in the Torah? I believe if you know the law then you know the answer. Why do you think believing in a Messiah makes us ignorant of the presence of the true God and his true teachings of the Torah?

So you can't prove it didn't happen?

However, you miss the obvious reason: The men who created the religion were homophobic.

Then there is the most obvious answer to why God might find homosexuality offensive. If everyone went after their own sex who would have populated the earth? Your not homosexual, do you wish you were? Why not?
Problem solved.

How can you tell me that a "fallen" human (as you said all were after Adam and Eve) could distinguish between a sign from God and his own feelings of homophobia? Religious people always see their feelings as justified by God in the end. That is why you always feel you have an answer: you make something up and then claim that God meant it that way. That way you are never wrong and never have to question yourself.

No at all! This would confirm that our sexual preference as well as our religious preference is really just about choice. Tell me how many ugly women you have wanted to date or take to bed? Or how many men you have wanted to date and take to bed? How many religions have you joinded?
Why have you not got a religion now?
Some of us know and value the people we have relationships with and we also know why we believe. It is not about fooling yourself, if your honest. It is knowing what your faith is about and expecting and receiving what it offers.
If you put a money in a chocolate bar dispensing machine, would you expect to get a bar of chocolate? This is why my faith remains, because I do not settle for imitation and I do not look at the shell of a person to decide if I want to get to know them or can love them.

BTW, Jesus helped a gay guy and his lover in the Bible. And Jesus never married, so maybe Jesus is trying to tell you not to marry? After all, marriage laws were changed under Paul, not Jesus. Two different people.

This has to be a joke coming from you. So why tell us to go forth and multiply.
Your not suggestion we should all live over the brush(modern term Vacuum cleaner are you.) Neither changed either. Jesus corrected and Paul gave guidance to gentiles who had never been under the law of the first covenant in the first place.

daedalus 2.0 --Must try harder. 7/10 for effort.

Love Faith.xx

[Fallibleone]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

[Goat]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

[faith]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

Well that explains and counts you out for not answering the posts,doesn't it Goat.
I have answered FO's posts. What I do not do is reply to posts which keep covering the same old ground which I have already answered.
Had you read my posts with reading comprehension, your would have known this.

Love Faith.xx

[Goat]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

Well that explains and counts you out for not answering the posts,doesn't it Goat.
I have answered FO's posts. What I do not do is reply to posts which keep covering the same old ground which I have already answered.
Had you read my posts with reading comprehension, your would have known this.

Love Faith.xx

Yes, I have. I find that the content of them is pig headed, stubborn, full of prejudice, and preachy. You do not actually respond to the points presented, but rather go off on a tangent, and preach.

Now, unfortunatly for you, the content you use in scripture is often taken out of context, and does not mean what you say it means.

[faith]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

Well that explains and counts you out for not answering the posts,doesn't it Goat.
I have answered FO's posts. What I do not do is reply to posts which keep covering the same old ground which I have already answered.
Had you read my posts with reading comprehension, your would have known this.

Love Faith.xx

Yes, I have. I find that the content of them is pig headed, stubborn, full of prejudice, and preachy. You do not actually respond to the points presented, but rather go off on a tangent, and preach.

Now, unfortunatly for you, the content you use in scripture is often taken out of context, and does not mean what you say it means.

Now that is more like it. Say what you really feel without the underhanded comments and insults. Let us know what your really thinking.
Now I shall answer you the same way.

Because you do not have the knowledge to understand my posts. Shows that you attack with insults that which you clearly cannot understand because you cannot respond to it. Frustrating, I know, but being rude and insulting is not clever.
I do not preach I tell the truth as I see it and I do not need anyone to tell me what to believe. The scripture being taken out of context is another ploy and red herring because people see by your answers you do not know what your talking about.
Personally, I do not care what others think about my posts. Life is too short to hold grudges and I know as well as other Spirit filled Christians that they are correct.

Hence the lesson is, Never rely on what you think you know. Because someone like me is going to come along and show you, that you're wrong.Albeit very nicely.
Big Kiss and hug for you.

Love Faith.xx

[Goat]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

Well that explains and counts you out for not answering the posts,doesn't it Goat.
I have answered FO's posts. What I do not do is reply to posts which keep covering the same old ground which I have already answered.
Had you read my posts with reading comprehension, your would have known this.

Love Faith.xx

Yes, I have. I find that the content of them is pig headed, stubborn, full of prejudice, and preachy. You do not actually respond to the points presented, but rather go off on a tangent, and preach.

Now, unfortunatly for you, the content you use in scripture is often taken out of context, and does not mean what you say it means.

Now that is more like it. Say what you really feel without the underhanded comments and insults. Let us know what your really thinking.
Now I shall answer you the same way.

Because you do not have the knowledge to understand my posts. Shows that you attack with insults that which you clearly cannot understand because you cannot respond to it. Frustrating, I know, but being rude and insulting is not clever.
I do not preach I tell the truth as I see it and I do not need anyone to tell me what to believe. The scripture being taken out of context is another ploy and red herring because people see by your answers you do not know what your talking about.
Personally, I do not care what others think about my posts. Life is too short to hold grudges and I know as well as other Spirit filled Christians that they are correct.

Hence the lesson is, Never rely on what you think you know. Because someone like me is going to come along and show you, that you're wrong.Albeit very nicely.
Big Kiss and hug for you.


You asked specifically. However, something that clues me in on how you must operate is the claim to be 'spirit filled'. You dismiss all other arguments 'because you are spirit filled'.

This is a debate site. Do you know what debate is? Debate is being able to present your arguements in a manner that backs up with evidence. You back up with out of context scripture, and preaching. Do you understand the difference?

Love Faith.xx

[faith]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

Well that explains and counts you out for not answering the posts,doesn't it Goat.
I have answered FO's posts. What I do not do is reply to posts which keep covering the same old ground which I have already answered.
Had you read my posts with reading comprehension, your would have known this.

Love Faith.xx

Yes, I have. I find that the content of them is pig headed, stubborn, full of prejudice, and preachy. You do not actually respond to the points presented, but rather go off on a tangent, and preach.

Now, unfortunatly for you, the content you use in scripture is often taken out of context, and does not mean what you say it means.

Now that is more like it. Say what you really feel without the underhanded comments and insults. Let us know what your really thinking.
Now I shall answer you the same way.

Because you do not have the knowledge to understand my posts. Shows that you attack with insults that which you clearly cannot understand because you cannot respond to it. Frustrating, I know, but being rude and insulting is not clever.
I do not preach I tell the truth as I see it and I do not need anyone to tell me what to believe. The scripture being taken out of context is another ploy and red herring because people see by your answers you do not know what your talking about.
Personally, I do not care what others think about my posts. Life is too short to hold grudges and I know as well as other Spirit filled Christians that they are correct.

Hence the lesson is, Never rely on what you think you know. Because someone like me is going to come along and show you, that you're wrong.Albeit very nicely.
Big Kiss and hug for you.



Love Faith.xx

You asked specifically. However, something that clues me in on how you must operate is the claim to be 'spirit filled'. You dismiss all other arguments 'because you are spirit filled'.

There is arguments based on what the scriptures actually say and arguments which have no basis in truth of what they say.
So you are not looking specifically at the points and the reasons why some are answerable and some are not.
People need to know what they are talking about. There is no use having an opinion on scripture if you have never read it. You would not talk about any other book you had not read and pass comments on it. Especially if you had not understood it. So you cannot say because I claim to be taught by God and have read the scriptures that I have other motives than those based in truth.
Having read those scriptures.

This is a debate site. Do you know what debate is? Debate is being able to present your arguements in a manner that backs up with evidence. You back up with out of context scripture, and preaching. Do you understand the difference?

Again you bring nothing that shows my scripture to be out of context, no scripture to support your beliefs, you show no scripture or explanation why it is wrong in your opinion. So clearly if anyone does not understand how to debate an argument and make points it is you. I show scripture and context. If I do not bring scripture it is because you would not understand it. I believe my posts support this. Whereas your are just bluster based on you believing your opinion is somehow better than anyone elses.

So clearly your understanding is the problem, not mine.

Love Faith.xx

[Fallibleone]

Is anyone else having difficulty seeing my posts, or is it just faith?

I can see your posts just fine. To be seen, they have to be read, with someone who has some reading comprehension.

Well that explains and counts you out for not answering the posts,doesn't it Goat.
I have answered FO's posts. What I do not do is reply to posts which keep covering the same old ground which I have already answered.
Had you read my posts with reading comprehension, your would have known this.

Love Faith.xx

Yes, I have. I find that the content of them is pig headed, stubborn, full of prejudice, and preachy. You do not actually respond to the points presented, but rather go off on a tangent, and preach.

Now, unfortunatly for you, the content you use in scripture is often taken out of context, and does not mean what you say it means.

Now that is more like it. Say what you really feel without the underhanded comments and insults. Let us know what your really thinking.
Now I shall answer you the same way.

Because you do not have the knowledge to understand my posts.

A grand assertion to make after a whole five days as a member of the board, and one that I imagine an awful lot of people will be showering their monitors with coffee upon having read.

Shows that you attack with insults that which you clearly cannot understand because you cannot respond to it. Frustrating, I know, but being rude and insulting is not clever.

Arrogance, apparently, is.

I do not preach I tell the truth as I see it and I do not need anyone to tell me what to believe.

You understand, then, the reception your 'arguments' get, since you yourself also feel that you do not need anyone to tell you what to believe.

The scripture being taken out of context is another ploy and red herring because people see by your answers you do not know what your talking about.

Wasn't it you who interpreted scripture when talking about the 'perfection' of man? Something which another apparently 'Spirit-filled' Christian disagreed with you over?

Personally, I do not care what others think about my posts. Life is too short to hold grudges and I know as well as other Spirit filled Christians that they are correct.

What is your motivation for posting on this board?

Hence the lesson is, Never rely on what you think you know. Because someone like me is going to come along and show you, that you're wrong.Albeit very nicely.
Big Kiss and hug for you.

Love Faith.xx

You have not shown anyone that they are wrong, and furthermore, you have not done so nicely.

You do not answer my posts. I asked you why you did not, and you chose to answer that one, claiming that it must be down to a glitch in the system where you receive notification of new posts, but never did answer my original post. There is an unanswered post of mine in this thread. There are other unanswered posts of mine scattered about the place.

[Fallibleone]

So clearly if anyone does not understand how to debate an argument and make points it is you.

I strongly and unsarcastically urge you to read up on debating rules.