Will Christians be protected from Gay social goals?

[Mere_Christian]

Once gay marriage is legalized in most states and forced on those that will not legalize it by the power of Democrat majority in Congress, how will Christians be protected from Gay Activists desiring to force Gay Culture and gay sex on every aspect of Christian life?

[kayky]

I'm not at all comfortable with living as a person that needs the permision of ungodly people to give me rights to live one way or another.

How will allowing gay people to marry change your lifestyle? Won't you still be free to live "one way or another"?

Like my OP suggests, what will any of you do when GLBT's start attacking us and suing us to stop preaching against the perversion and debauchery that we see is the gay life and liefstyle?

Gay marriage will have no effect on religious freedom. Your church can continue to preach against whatever it wants to. No one can sue you for practicing your religion.

Why is it that homosexuality even gets support from people that claim the mantle of logic and reason driving their perspectives? Permissiveness and hedonism are not morally sound choices. Perversion and aberrant behavior are hardly behaviors to be cheered.

Many people now recognize that homosexuality is not a perversion nor an example of aberrant behavior.

I think I am appropriate in saying that you will suport them in their efforts to silence Christians. It's not exactly like "freethinkers" allow for dissent. Last time I checked, every one has to eb an atheist. Am I wrong?

Gay people are not trying to silence Christians. They are simply asking that discrimination against them stop. They are simply asking for the basic rights given to every other American.

Will you support Christiain preaching opposition to homosexuality? I know the founders of the USA did. It was the first right they wrote.

I will support your right to free speech no matter how repugnant that speech may seem to me.

[Mere_Christian]

I'm not at all comfortable with living as a person that needs the permision of ungodly people to give me rights to live one way or another.

How will allowing gay people to marry change your lifestyle? Won't you still be free to live "one way or another"?

Like my OP suggests, what will any of you do when GLBT's start attacking us and suing us to stop preaching against the perversion and debauchery that we see is the gay life and liefstyle?

Gay marriage will have no effect on religious freedom. Your church can continue to preach against whatever it wants to. No one can sue you for practicing your religion.

Why is it that homosexuality even gets support from people that claim the mantle of logic and reason driving their perspectives? Permissiveness and hedonism are not morally sound choices. Perversion and aberrant behavior are hardly behaviors to be cheered.

Many people now recognize that homosexuality is not a perversion nor an example of aberrant behavior.

I think I am appropriate in saying that you will suport them in their efforts to silence Christians. It's not exactly like "freethinkers" allow for dissent. Last time I checked, every one has to eb an atheist. Am I wrong?

Gay people are not trying to silence Christians. They are simply asking that discrimination against them stop. They are simply asking for the basic rights given to every other American.

Will you support Christiain preaching opposition to homosexuality? I know the founders of the USA did. It was the first right they wrote.

I will support your right to free speech no matter how repugnant that speech may seem to me.

Decent morality is now a repugnant speech?

What's next labeling the requiring of hand washing to prevent the spread of viruses a hate crime?

[kayky]

Decent morality is now a repugnant speech?

What's next labeling the requiring of hand washing to prevent the spread of viruses a hate crime?

What is "decent morality"? It seems to me that you want to provide the definition (apparently based on your interpretation of the Bible) and then force the rest of the world to fall in line. I personally cannot see how two people loving each other and wanting to make a life commitment to each other can ever be considered indecent. What I do see as indecent is labeling an entire segment of the population as second-class citizens and denying them the rights taken for granted by everyone else.

Your hand-washing analogy is very telling of your attitude. Homosexuality is not a virus, and it isn't "catching"! One of my closest childhood friends was gay, and I watched him struggle with this reality. He wanted to be a "good" Christian; and, believe me, if he could have "washed" it out of his life, he would have. In the end he could not deny his God-given identity. He has been in a committed relationship with the same man for the past nineteen years. I am looking forward to the day when they can marry like any other two people in love.

[McCulloch]

Decent morality is now a repugnant speech?

No, just the perception of what constitutes decent morality has changed. Are you denying that active gays can be decent moral persons?

What's next labeling the requiring of hand washing to prevent the spread of viruses a hate crime?

This is rather out in left field, isn't it?

[Mere_Christian]

Decent morality is now a repugnant speech?

What's next labeling the requiring of hand washing to prevent the spread of viruses a hate crime?

What is "decent morality"?

Mother, father, their children, as the best idea of family.

It seems to me that you want to provide the definition (apparently based on your interpretation of the Bible) and then force the rest of the world to fall in line.

I just want to stop the insanity of licentiousness being considered a civil right and pop culture with honor.

And by the way, have you noticed the name of this website?

I personally cannot see how two people loving each other and wanting to make a life commitment to each other can ever be considered indecent.

It eliminates the opposition to bathroom and other public sex as a hate crime. From gay marriage we will have a furtehr celebration of anything goes. All the way down to Kindergarten Drag Queens.

What I do see as indecent is labeling an entire segment of the population as second-class citizens and denying them the rights taken for granted by everyone else.

Marriage as a man and a woman is decent and moral. It is not the fault of any straight person that a homosexual was born the way they are.

Your hand-washing analogy is very telling of your attitude. Homosexuality is not a virus, and it isn't "catching"!

Mmm, yeah. Lindey Lohan et al. Gay sex is a fad in our public schools now. We're headed backwards to ancient Greece.

One of my closest childhood friends was gay, and I watched him struggle with this reality.

yeah me too. I watched him try and struggle to have sex with as many straight guys as he could seduce. When I became an adult, the wave of gay guys trying to seduce me and my straight friends only ended when I stopped even saying hi to them.

He wanted to be a "good" Christian; and, believe me, if he could have "washed" it out of his life, he would have.

Interesting, I washed a lot of my sexually inappropriate behavior "out" of my system as a Christian.

In the end he could not deny his God-given identity.

Then I may as well start robbing banks and celebrating my promiscuity. God seems to have put those desires into me from birth. I can't stop thinking about chicks and robbing banks. Even now.

He has been in a committed relationship with the same man for the past nineteen years.

have you ever studied gay erotic life? It ain't monogamous pal. My "wife" doesn't share my cultural and congenital idea of my sexuality. Having statues and art of nude young women doesn't fit the idea of a marriage well to her.

I am looking forward to the day when they can marry like any other two people in love.

Adults can get married now. Marriage is a man and a woman. Even bogus lefty politicsa is never going to force acceptance of wierd legal couplings. It's just a part of history that this kind of thing enters the social sphere. As gay culture inevitably spreads its desires into morew and more "mainstream" places, it will be driven out of society as it has always been.

[Mere_Christian]

Decent morality is now a repugnant speech?

No, just the perception of what constitutes decent morality has changed.

The decay of a society is well-known throughout history. With the rise of debauchery and hedonism attached to the demise.

Are you denying that active gays can be decent moral persons?

No comment.

What's next labeling the requiring of hand washing to prevent the spread of viruses a hate crime?

This is rather out in left field, isn't it?

If a Bible-affirming Christian is considered a hate monger, bigot and phobe for oppositing the spread of homosexuality, it stands to reason that those that desire population control could rise to power and outlaw trying to stop a pandemic arrising by natural causes. I mean c'mon now, disease taking its toll on animals is a natural occurence. We do observe this behavior in the animal kingdom.

[kayky]

Mother, father, their children, as the best idea of family.

Isn't the best idea of family a group of people who love and support each other? The mother/father household is just as likely to be dysfunctional as any other arrangement.

I just want to stop the insanity of licentiousness being considered a civil right and pop culture with honor.

Wouldn't allowing gay marriage discourage promiscuity? Wouldn't it be better for our society to encourage gay people to commit to monogomous relationships? Gay people aren't claiming that "licentiousness" is a civil right--just that marriage is.

And by the way, have you noticed the name of this website?

Debating Christianity and Religion? What is your point???

It eliminates the opposition to bathroom and other public sex as a hate crime. From gay marriage we will have a furtehr celebration of anything goes. All the way down to Kindergarten Drag Queens.

Having sex in a public bathroom is a hate crime??? What in the world are you talking about? Wouldn't gay marriage diminish the need for anonymous sex in public places? The only thing gay marriage will celebrate is the committed, monogomous relationship between two consenting adults. Your fear of "Kindergarten Drag Queens" smacks a bit of hysteria.

Marriage as a man and a woman is decent and moral. It is not the fault of any straight person that a homosexual was born the way they are.

The commitment between two loving adults is decent and moral, regardless of their gender. You should live according to what you see as decent and moral and allow others to do the same. You do not have the right to declare what is decent and moral for everyone else. I'm sure no gay person would blame you for their homosexual orientation although I'm not sure what that has to do with anything. If gay people are allowed to marry, it is not going to affect your life in any way. You need to learn to live and let live.

Mmm, yeah. Lindey Lohan et al. Gay sex is a fad in our public schools now. We're headed backwards to ancient Greece.

Gay sex has never been a "fad." It's funny you should mention the public schools since I am a retired high school teacher with 30 years experience. I've watched young people struggle with their sexual identity--some to the point of suicide. By the way, do you realize how much of our present culture can be traced back to ancient Greece?

yeah me too. I watched him try and struggle to have sex with as many straight guys as he could seduce. When I became an adult, the wave of gay guys trying to seduce me and my straight friends only ended when I stopped even saying hi to them.

You must live in a strange neighborhood. Every gay person I have ever known only wanted what most of us want: true love with someone who wants to be with him or her. Maybe you and your straight friends are just so drop-dead gorgeous that no one can resist you? Or maybe you have an overactive imagination???

Interesting, I washed a lot of my sexually inappropriate behavior "out" of my system as a Christian.

I'm sorry you had a problem with "sexually inappropriate behavior," and I'm glad you were able to overcome it. But that has nothing to do with anyone else.

Then I may as well start robbing banks and celebrating my promiscuity. God seems to have put those desires into me from birth. I can't stop thinking about chicks and robbing banks. Even now.

What does robbing banks have to do with people getting married??? When you rob a bank, you are infringing upon the rights of others by stealing their property. Two gay people getting married does not infringe on your personal rights in any way. By the way, as a woman, I find the term "chick" to be offensive and degrading.

have you ever studied gay erotic life? It ain't monogamous pal.

Isn't this all the more reason to encourage gay marriage? To discourage promiscuity? To encourage committed, monogomous relationships? Yet many gay people, like my childhood friend, have long-term, committed relationships. By the way, I'm not your "pal."

My "wife" doesn't share my cultural and congenital idea of my sexuality. Having statues and art of nude young women doesn't fit the idea of a marriage well to her.

First of all, I have to wonder why you place the word "wife" in quotation marks. Is she your wife or not? Why would you be married to someone who doesn't share your "cultural and congenital" idea of sexuality? I'm not even sure what that means! As far as nude statues are concerned, I would say that that is a matter of artistic taste and has nothing to do with the topic.

Adults can get married now. Marriage is a man and a woman. Even bogus lefty politicsa is never going to force acceptance of wierd legal couplings. It's just a part of history that this kind of thing enters the social sphere. As gay culture inevitably spreads its desires into morew and more "mainstream" places, it will be driven out of society as it has always been.

I'm afraid you are quite wrong about that. That train has already left the station, and unless we are willing to rewrite the Constitution, gay people will eventually be granted equal rights. I'm afraid it's sooner rather than later, so you will simply have to adjust. I think you will be surprised to find that it will not have any significant impact on your own lifestyle.

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[McCulloch]

The decay of a society is well-known throughout history. With the rise of debauchery and hedonism attached to the demise.

Really? Can you cite some bona fide historians?

[Mere_Christian]

quote="kayky"

Mother, father, their children, as the best idea of family.

Isn't the best idea of family a group of people who love and support each other?

The best idea for family it would follow logically, would be the one from where a human being comes from. A mother and a father. Our junevile courts system and mental health facilities show us what happenes to children raised in a warped way from the "nuclear family."

The mother/father household is just as likely to be dysfunctional as any other arrangement.

Dysfunctional? Where do you think college grads are coming from? A quick look at the school drop outs is a good place for stats.

I just want to stop the insanity of licentiousness being considered a civil right and pop culture with honor.

Wouldn't allowing gay marriage discourage promiscuity?

Not in a culture literally defined by it. All you get is propaganda and a sales pitch for a wierd agenda.

Wouldn't it be better for our society to encourage gay people to commit to monogomous relationships?

No. But it would help the male and bi side of theirs.

Gay people aren't claiming that "licentiousness" is a civil right--just that marriage is.

Hmm, a quick view of gay websites seem to disagree with your hopes. A very quick view of GLBT social life seems to guarantee promiscuity will be supported and celebrated.

And by the way, have you noticed the name of this website?

Debating Christianity and Religion? What is your point???

Um, your jab about Biblical beliefs driving the anti-gay position. That is never going to go away. Not even if you build enough prisons to fit all those that vehemently oppose gay culture and homosexuality. But I'm betting that even rabid secularists would rather have Bible-affirming Christians as their neighbors.

It eliminates the opposition to bathroom and other public sex as a hate crime. From gay marriage we will have a furtehr celebration of anything goes. All the way down to Kindergarten Drag Queens.

Having sex in a public bathroom is a hate crime???

Yes. According to GLBT's in Florida. One mayor tried to stop it and (of course) was slammed with the homophobe and bigot label.

What in the world are you talking about?

Historic gay culture. Once (of course) not called this neologism "gay." though.

Wouldn't gay marriage diminish the need for anonymous sex in public places?

You gotta be joking. You must not know any gay guys.

The only thing gay marriage will celebrate is the committed, monogomous relationship between two consenting adults.

Uhh, yeah.

Your fear of "Kindergarten Drag Queens" smacks a bit of hysteria.

www.massresistance.org is researching and reporting the Slippery Slope Syndrome of the Gay Agenda. In Massachusetts public schools, Gay is quite the fad all the way down to tiny tot classes.

Marriage as a man and a woman is decent and moral. It is not the fault of any straight person that a homosexual was born the way they are.

The commitment between two loving adults is decent and moral, regardless of their gender.

In your "secular" world and worldview. It is unimaginebly offensive to Christians, Muslims, Mormons and many others.

You should live according to what you see as decent and moral and allow others to do the same.

Not when their sexual proclivities are the defining call to their lives and forced on me and everyine else to celebrate. One thing I thought interesting about Iowa's decision, was how well they cemented the rights of the religious (Christians) to oppose gay culture.

You do not have the right to declare what is decent and moral for everyone else.

tell that to Gays, Lesbians, Bi-Sexuals and Transgendered. They seem to demand everyone celebrate their sexual passions. And most importantly is the threatening declaration to teacg gay culture to everyone else's children. Whether they like it or not.

I'm sure no gay person would blame you for their homosexual orientation although I'm not sure what that has to do with anything.

I couldn't care less what makes a person desire homosexuality. I think defining a sex acts as a civil rights issue is insane. But I've watched secularism define even a human being as a mass of cells so nothing they do surprises me anymore. I'm fascainated by how evil the world has gotten so fast since the sexual revolution of the Hippies. Now of course called "progressives." A rose by any other name eh?

If gay people are allowed to marry, it is not going to affect your life in any way.

My children are under their authority not mine. That bothers me so much, that I have gotten involved with this repugnant argument on a very personal and social level.

You need to learn to live and let live.

Tell that to the skeptics that seem to desire not to let us live and let live. I lump the GLBT's in their camp.

Mmm, yeah. Lindey Lohan et al. Gay sex is a fad in our public schools now. We're headed backwards to ancient Greece.

Gay sex has never been a "fad." It's funny you should mention the public schools since I am a retired high school teacher with 30 years experience.

It's a fad. Watch it play out on the Day of Silence for people that like gay sex. Forced celebration of anal and oral sex in our public schools seems rather insulting to the parents of those children.

I've watched young people struggle with their sexual identity--some to the point of suicide.

In the GLBT community suicides are quite common. Don't blame people that do not desire gay sex for what happens to those that do. That canard makes it difficult for depressed teenagers to get the psychological help they need.

By the way, do you realize how much of our present culture can be traced back to ancient Greece?

I absolutely know how much of our culture can be traced to Greece culture. We are steeped in lust for youth and the young. And now legalizing a form of pederasty that the Greeks tried to as well. You do know about the laws of the Gymnasium in Ancient Greece don't you? Certain kinds of adults were outlawed from them. You cannot disconnect pederasty from gay history.

yeah me too. I watched him try and struggle to have sex with as many straight guys as he could seduce. When I became an adult, the wave of gay guys trying to seduce me and my straight friends only ended when I stopped even saying hi to them.

You must live in a strange neighborhood. Every gay person I have ever known only wanted what most of us want: true love with someone who wants to be with him or her.

They sure seem to desire new recruits uber alles. Cruise over to Soulforce and see. Soulforce is yet another "Gay Christian" org. To infiltrate Evangelical Christianity gains tons of young people. Sorry, I'm not buying the fairy tale life for same-gender couples. Not even in the few stories we get from Ancient Greece.

Maybe you and your straight friends are just so drop-dead gorgeous that no one can resist you?

It seems gay guys couldn't. Their "gaydar" seemed to point them in our direction. And I am the typical guy looking guy.

Or maybe you have an overactive imagination???

Unfortunatley not. What's going on in the real world seems a nightmare, but I do have the solac of the predictions of the Biblical writers to make me feel better.

Interesting, I washed a lot of my sexually inappropriate behavior "out" of my system as a Christian.

I'm sorry you had a problem with "sexually inappropriate behavior," and I'm glad you were able to overcome it. But that has nothing to do with anyone else.

I washed the behavior out of my system. Jesus will have to forgive me for looking back on some of it with a wry smile. I still like hot women, but now in a different way. But the memories, though with some regrets, ahhh, never mind.

Then I may as well start robbing banks and celebrating my promiscuity. God seems to have put those desires into me from birth. I can't stop thinking about chicks and robbing banks. Even now.

What does robbing banks have to do with people getting married???

If not being able to stop doing what you feel in your mind you are meant to do, well, trust me, I want to rob banks. Like Patrick Swayze in Point Break. I also still seem to possess my sexual orientation for hot looking women. I manage to control both desires. And I sure feel they are congenital conditions.

When you rob a bank, you are infringing upon the rights of others by stealing their property.

No I'm not. It's insured, and I wouldn't have bullets in my MP-5. Bank robbers are quite the romantic fellows. People love outlaws.

Two gay people getting married does not infringe on your personal rights in any way.

It infringes on my personal rights to be free of other people labeling their civil rights by how they like to screw. And that of my children and how I have to raise them now.

By the way, as a woman, I find the term "chick" to be offensive and degrading.

I find feminism far more degrading to women. Ask all the "ladies" raising children alone. So many in fact, they have a pop culture label for them: Baby Momma. Too bad for their children. In the gay world, you're "turned out," as an initiate into the culture. How romantic that isn't.

have you ever studied gay erotic life? It ain't monogamous pal.

Isn't this all the more reason to encourage gay marriage?

To try to legitimize a promiscuous culture? Isn't the condition of our youth culture destroyed enough?

To discourage promiscuity?

You NEVER hear that "preached" in the GLBT community. Gay marriage is about legitimizing gay culture far more than it is about becoming pop and pop suburbanite. Gimme a break. I haven't been a Christian all my life, abd I'm not from a farming community in the Mid-West.

To encourage committed, monogomous relationships?

Where? In the GLBT community? PUH-leeeeease.

Yet many gay people, like my childhood friend, have long-term, committed relationships.

You here the same sales pitch about American cars being as good as Imports. Slick ads do not a snakeoil hide.

By the way, I'm not your "pal."

I'm totally shocked.

You believe that right?

My "wife" doesn't share my cultural and congenital idea of my sexuality. Having statues and art of nude young women doesn't fit the idea of a marriage well to her.

First of all, I have to wonder why you place the word "wife" in quotation marks.

It's 2009. Quotation marks are completely appropriate. You must not have taught english.

Is she your wife or not?

Yes, we're both bigoted, right-wing fundies and "she: is my "wife." Please don;t rat me out to your feminist friends.

Why would you be married to someone who doesn't share your "cultural and congenital" idea of sexuality?

Geez, I don't know why "she" doesn't share my views about having sex with as many women as I can fit into my lifetime. I guess women don't always think like men.

I'm not even sure what that means!

And believe you.

As far as nude statues are concerned, I would say that that is a matter of artistic taste and has nothing to do with the topic.

The whole erotica thing is not cliche or stereotype with those of the gay culture persuasion.

Adults can get married now. Marriage is a man and a woman. Even bogus lefty politics is never going to force acceptance of wierd legal couplings. It's just a part of history that this kind of thing enters the social sphere. As gay culture inevitably spreads its desires into more and more "mainstream" places, it will be driven out of society as it has always been.

I'm afraid you are quite wrong about that.

Secularists have forgotten history. You know the rest of the saying.

That train has already left the station, and unless we are willing to rewrite the Constitution, gay people will eventually be granted equal rights.

The Consitution arose from one group of fellow citizens breaking away from their other countrymen. Er, countrypersons.

"When in the course of human events . . . " You said you were a teacher. History has a sneaky way of showing itself as a sequel.

I'm afraid it's sooner rather than later, so you will simply have to adjust.

That would be after rigor mortis. And after that I'll be in a place where no one gets married and what is happeing down in Secularland will be a memory I no longer recall.

I think you will be surprised to find that it will not have any significant impact on your own lifestyle.

I care about people other than myself now. It's a Christian thing. And Gay Life has already impacted mine. I was once just a Christian, now I am a homphobe, bigot, right-wing, fundamentalist, hate crimes perpetrator. I'd say that's quite significant.

But I see Jesus was right again there too.

[Mere_Christian]

The decay of a society is well-known throughout history. With the rise of debauchery and hedonism attached to the demise.

Really? Can you cite some bona fide historians?

Explain the use of the caveat "bona fide?"