The purpose of the "Gay" Crusade

[TheQuestioner]

When i was about ten years of age i attended church on a regular basis. I remember vividly that i few times in sunday school i was taught that being LGBT was horridly wrong, and also that Muslims were sad people because they put so much time and effort into the "wrong religion". Now I tried hard to believe this, but in the end even as a ten year old i couldn't, i couldn't see what was wrong with being gay, and this has got me wondering. What is the purpose of targeting and discriminating homosexuals, what would it achieve for any church base except alienate a portion of their church body? and lastly Why isn't this energy spent on something that does not alienate people and can universally be considered bad, like adultery?


please help me out it confuses me so much at times.


sorry if a similar thread exists i'm new here

[Beto]

its funny when ever someone is told what they are doing wrong according to Gods word which is the Bible and they don't want to repent which means to change they begin to question the validity of the Bible. Romans 3-3 states for what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of god with out effect? Romans 3-4 God forbid: yea let God be true, but every man a liar. basically you don't have to believe its still not gonna stop the effect of the prophecies they will still happen to you and any one else. you must believe in the big bang theory that chaos or a big bang could create life and explosion bring forth water fall plants animals and everything else on earth to every creation there is a creator, to every building there is a builder to every garden there is a Gardner its simple. Blow up something and see what comes from the explosion a big bang come on.For my last point if there is no God can you tell me how you exist the body is the greatest things ever create man has tried to duplicate this by cloning, making computers to try to operate like the brain its amazing what god created your body can heal it self if you get a cut. The sun goes up and down every day do you need more evidence????????????????????????

Nope. Seems pretty obvious all is the creation of Allah, Who will judge you for not following the divine guidance of the Qur'an. Do you need more evidence than the perfect Qur'an, the beauty of which no man can duplicate? What's wrong with YOU?

[micatala]

First of all Christ said because of the hardness of your heart he allowed a man to put away his wife the law did not change that was man lack of understanding when Christ came on the scene he gave the understanding of situations adultery fornication these were some of the reasons that the children of Israel were giving Moses but they started to put away their wives for the smallest reasons abusing the law so Christ came and gave the understanding.

In other words, Jesus was willing to adapt the law based on the audience to which it was addressed. Because he seemed to believe that, in his time, people should be able to live without divorce, he gave them a stricter teaching to follow.

I am fine with this. However, it still indicates a change in teaching. Whatever the justification for either the older or the newer law, it is a CHANGE.

In addition, I will point you to Acts chapter 15, where the APostles, including James, decide it is OK to put aside nearly all of the Mosaic law for the benefit of the Gentiles. Again, there is a reasonable justification for the change, but it is nonetheless, a change.

I would suggest changing our views on homosexuality is as justified as these other past changes. Expecting gays to either remain celibate or to deny who they are puts, in Paul's words, a burden on them that they are not able to carry, and that we who are heterosexual would not be able to carry either.

Now as far as those laws you mentioned the bible says keep those laws to the best of your ability he didn't do away with any laws Matthew 5-17 to 19 except the law of sacrifice

So, are you saying we should all, to the best of our ability, follow all of the Mosaic law, including hair-cutting, clothing proscriptions, etc. Note that these have never been explicitly taught against.

Same for allowing women to speak in church or men to uncover their heads.

but he called homosexuality and abomination that level of sin God truly hates because that act is a conscious decision to break Gods law you may not be able to wear the same fabric because you don't make your own clothes, but you don't have to sleep with the same sex please reply I can back up all my answers with scripture and understanding.

The same word translated as abomination is also used to refer to many of these other OT laws that today we almost universally ignore. It seems to me you are projecting your own views onto a part of the Bible without reading the entirety in context. You are trying to wiggle out of the implications of your position by evading the issue.

Where does it say who makes the fabric makes any difference? And what about those of us who do knitting or other crafts and do make our own fabrics? If I go to the store and buy a polyester cotton blend, and see that on the label, how am I not consciously breading God's commandment in this regard?

[Goat]

its funny when ever someone is told what they are doing wrong according to Gods word which is the Bible and they don't want to repent which means to change they begin to question the validity of the Bible. Romans 3-3 states for what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of god with out effect? Romans 3-4 God forbid: yea let God be true, but every man a liar. basically you don't have to believe its still not gonna stop the effect of the prophecies they will still happen to you and any one else. you must believe in the big bang theory that chaos or a big bang could create life and explosion bring forth water fall plants animals and everything else on earth to every creation there is a creator, to every building there is a builder to every garden there is a Gardner its simple. Blow up something and see what comes from the explosion a big bang come on.For my last point if there is no God can you tell me how you exist the body is the greatest things ever create man has tried to duplicate this by cloning, making computers to try to operate like the brain its amazing what god created your body can heal it self if you get a cut. The sun goes up and down every day do you need more evidence????????????????????????

Well, I will point out that this stream of consciousness post is basically the logical fallacy known as "argument from personal incredibility" also known as 'Argument from ignorance.

[kayky]

its funny when ever someone is told what they are doing wrong according to Gods word which is the Bible and they don't want to repent which means to change they begin to question the validity of the Bible.

A common misconception among some Christians is the idea that anyone who questions the validity of the Bible must be doing so because of unrepentant sin in his or her life. This simply isn't the case. Many moral people question the validity of the Bible because there's a lot of questionable stuff in the Bible.

basically you don't have to believe its still not gonna stop the effect of the prophecies they will still happen to you and any one else.

The opposite is also true. Your believing in these prophesies will not bring them to pass.

you must believe in the big bang theory that chaos or a big bang could create life and explosion bring forth water fall plants animals and everything else on earth to every creation there is a creator, to every building there is a builder to every garden there is a Gardner its simple. Blow up something and see what comes from the explosion a big bang come on.

Are you saying, "Come on, don't buy into science"? Instead we should simply accept ancient superstition? C'mon!

For my last point if there is no God can you tell me how you exist the body is the greatest things ever create man has tried to duplicate this by cloning, making computers to try to operate like the brain its amazing what god created your body can heal it self if you get a cut. The sun goes up and down every day do you need more evidence????????????????????????

The sun does not go up and down. The earth rotates. The sun does not move.

[JoeyKnothead]

The sun does not go up and down. The earth rotates. The sun does not move.

For clarity, the Sun actually does move:

The Sun's orbit around the Galaxy is expected to be roughly elliptical with the addition of perturbations due to the galactic spiral arms and non-uniform mass distributions. In addition, the Sun oscillates up and down relative to the galactic plane approximately 2.7 times per orbit. This is very similar to how a simple harmonic oscillator works with no drag force (damping) term. These oscillations often coincide with mass extinction periods on Earth; presumably the higher density of stars close to the galactic plane leads to more impact events.

Edit:

The reason I mention this is to preclude any notion of the sun somehow being the "center of it all".

[OpenedUp]

its funny when ever someone is told what they are doing wrong according to Gods word which is the Bible and they don't want to repent which means to change they begin to question the validity of the Bible. Romans 3-3 states for what if some did not believe? shall their unbelief make the faith of god with out effect? Romans 3-4 God forbid: yea let God be true, but every man a liar. basically you don't have to believe its still not gonna stop the effect of the prophecies they will still happen to you and any one else. you must believe in the big bang theory that chaos or a big bang could create life and explosion bring forth water fall plants animals and everything else on earth to every creation there is a creator, to every building there is a builder to every garden there is a Gardner its simple. Blow up something and see what comes from the explosion a big bang come on.For my last point if there is no God can you tell me how you exist the body is the greatest things ever create man has tried to duplicate this by cloning, making computers to try to operate like the brain its amazing what god created your body can heal it self if you get a cut. The sun goes up and down every day do you need more evidence????????????????????????

That didn't really answer anyones questions...

I still want to know if cutting your hair is purposefully sinning against God. What say you?

[East of Eden]

I would suggest changing our views on homosexuality is as justified as these other past changes. Expecting gays to either remain celibate or to deny who they are puts, in Paul's words, a burden on them that they are not able to carry,

Actually, Paul said of some homosexuals, "Such were some of you, but you were washed by the blood of Christ." Paul's teaching inspired by the Holy Spirit, as well as examples from today, show us that it is possible for gays to change. It is always possible to do the will of God.

and that we who are heterosexual would not be able to carry either.

What do you mean here?

So, are you saying we should all, to the best of our ability, follow all of the Mosaic law, including hair-cutting, clothing proscriptions, etc. Note that these have never been explicitly taught against.

The dietary and ceremonial laws intended for the Old Testament theocracy of Israel were never binding on Christians, or even gentile nations contemporary with OT Israel. See Galatians. Far from having a 'gotcha' moment, you are just showing your ignorance of Christiantiy.

[McCulloch]

The dietary and ceremonial laws intended for the Old Testament theocracy of Israel were never binding on Christians, or even gentile nations contemporary with OT Israel. See Galatians. Far from having a 'gotcha' moment, you are just showing your ignorance of Christianity.

Can you provide a hermeneutic method one can consistently use to differentiate the dietary and ceremonial laws that are not binding on Christians from other laws that may be binding? My copy of the OT does not specify which laws apply only to Israel and which ones are more general.

[East of Eden]

The dietary and ceremonial laws intended for the Old Testament theocracy of Israel were never binding on Christians, or even gentile nations contemporary with OT Israel. See Galatians. Far from having a 'gotcha' moment, you are just showing your ignorance of Christianity.

Can you provide a hermeneutic method one can consistently use to differentiate the dietary and ceremonial laws that are not binding on Christians from other laws that may be binding? My copy of the OT does not specify which laws apply only to Israel and which ones are more general.

Under the New Covenant, the NT specifically rejected the dietary and ceremonial laws, the moral laws were reinforced, and strengthened in the case of Jesus saying thinking about their violation is as bad as the violation itself.

[McCulloch]

Under the New Covenant, the NT specifically rejected the dietary and ceremonial laws, the moral laws were reinforced, and strengthened in the case of Jesus saying thinking about their violation is as bad as the violation itself.

I am aware of that claim. What I asked for is a way of differentiating which laws are still in effect and which ones are merely dietary and ceremonial. There are some Christians who claim that the ten commandments are to be kept, while others claim that the Sabbath is merely ceremonial. How does one differentiate? Where in the Bible does it say to differentiate?