Life and God

[Willum]

If there were a Biblical God, wouldn't we find a lot more life in the universe?

If life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

At least that is the premise, any counter-views?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 10 by Kenisaw]

Does anything intelligent ever do anything deliberately, once?
No, it is practically a definition.

Well, something intelligent wouldn't want to keep using the Wright Flyer as its flagship, would it? If it screwed up, it would likely try to improve, only non-intelligent wouldn't (vice randomness, anyway).

[Kenisaw]

[Replying to post 10 by Kenisaw]

Does anything intelligent ever do anything deliberately, once?
No, it is practically a definition.

I've done stuff only one time. Haven't you? For example, I went white water rafting once. I've no desire to do it ever again, especially when I fully realized the dangers of doing it (which didn't dawn on me until I was on the raft).

I don't see why it is a requirement for a god creature to make living things more than once, just because it has intelligence.

Well, something intelligent wouldn't want to keep using the Wright Flyer as its flagship, would it? If it screwed up, it would likely try to improve, only non-intelligent wouldn't (vice randomness, anyway).

I would generally agree with this. Although an all powerful god being could just fix the thing it made too, instead of starting from scratch I suppose. Or it could just say the hell with it, and take up macrame.

Of course this begs the question of how a perfect being creates an imperfect thing, but that's another discussion.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 12 by Kenisaw]

I've done stuff only one time. Haven't you? For example, I went white water rafting once. I've no desire to do it ever again, especially when I fully realized the dangers of doing it (which didn't dawn on me until I was on the raft).

That's amazing: You went white water rafting once, and no one ever did it again?

I don't see why it is a requirement for a god creature to make living things more than once, just because it has intelligence.

On the other hand, it is not a contrary argument either. While religious folks would say this constitutes proof, I say, we can't draw any conclusions either way, and must investigate other assumptions.

Like: An intelligent thing does learn and repeat...

[Kenisaw]

[Replying to post 12 by Kenisaw]

I've done stuff only one time. Haven't you? For example, I went white water rafting once. I've no desire to do it ever again, especially when I fully realized the dangers of doing it (which didn't dawn on me until I was on the raft).

That's amazing: You went white water rafting once, and no one ever did it again?

There's only one god creature I believe, as least according to most of the cultists at this site. So the example of one person would be more accurate, would it not?

I don't see why it is a requirement for a god creature to make living things more than once, just because it has intelligence.

On the other hand, it is not a contrary argument either. While religious folks would say this constitutes proof, I say, we can't draw any conclusions either way, and must investigate other assumptions.

Like: An intelligent thing does learn and repeat...

Learn, yes. Repeat? You can't state that about any one particular intelligent thing, and the creator being is most definitely a one of a kind according to cultists.

[benchwarmer]

If there were a Biblical God, wouldn't we find a lot more life in the universe?

Not necessarily. Remember that the Biblical God got so bent out of shape over His experiment here that He threw a tantrum and drowned everything. If earth was the first try, maybe it was the last. God is resting now apparently. Probably sipping margaritas and trying to "drown out" (haha, see what I did there?) His sorrows and trying to forget the whole debacle.

Maybe He thought about trying the same thing on Blargon VII, but given His hangover from the last try, thought better of it.

If life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

The design wasn't so great given the redo that had to happen. Since He didn't want to deal with more than one mess, maybe He just kept the conditions on all the other planets inhospitable. It's like only looking after one fish tank instead of an entire aquarium. Much simpler. Design likes simple.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 14 by Kenisaw]

Well I don't know, it seems to me Biblical God started once in the garden, again throwing us out of the garden, again with Abraham, again with the flood, again with Jesus.

So the example of one person would be more accurate, would it not?

Perhaps, but we are exploring what we think we know about God, dismissing stuff on a guess is hardly in line with the topic.

You can't state that about any one particular intelligent thing, and the creator being is most definitely a one of a kind according to cultists.

You might be right.

You can't state that about any one particular intelligent thing, and the creator being is most definitely a one of a kind according to cultists.

You might be wrong.

[Replying to post 15 by benchwarmer]

This reply is more in the spirit of the OP. It is more interesting to judge this OP based on God's actions, rather than the opinions of his devoted followers.

[JP Cusick]

If there were a Biblical God, wouldn't we find a lot more life in the universe?

If life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

At least that is the premise, any counter-views?

We do see life to such an abundance on earth that it is extraordinary.

And we have not yet explored all the life on earth.

My view is that if there was life on the Moon or on Mars or even just way out on Pluto, then humanity would unite in war as we would send invaders to the Moon and to Mars and even send conquistadors way out to Pluto, the only reason we do not is because we do not know of any life there yet.

I recently saw a cool dramatized documentary on TV about our space program sending people to Mars, and according to it the people needed to find a huge cave to live underground because the Mars environment is way too harsh while underground it protects people from the elements and from the radiation of the Sun. ~ As such it only figures to me that if there is life on Mars then we will find it underground - for the exact same reasons.

Also most of science declares that there are so many planets that the chances of extraterrestrial life is very likely, so maybe God has created lots more life in the universe.

One thing that really gets to me is that according to the Bible then God is from the heavens, and Jesus made a preposterous declaration for the 1st century when Jesus said = "I am not from this world." John 8:23, so why not take that literally?

If He said He is not from here = then He is from some other world.

[Justin108]

[Replying to post 8 by Justin108]

I didn't. I asked you to explain why an intelligent creator would need to create life everywhere in order to be considered intelligent. I asked you to support your premise.

And for the same reason we don't build just one car.

We build more than one car for practical purposes. We build more than one car so that more than one person gets to drive at a time. What practical purpose is there in creating life on every solar system?

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Statistically speaking, it is highly likely that life exists elsewhere.

You don't know is an answer? Unacceptable, if you are going to participate. We aren't talking statistics, we are talking God, see the difference?

We are not just talking about God, we are also talking about life on other planets (I recommend you read the OP you wrote). The statistical probability of life existing on other planets is very much relevant to the discussion. But then again, I don't even have to argue for life on other planets. You're the one suggesting that there is no life on other planets so I suggest you support that assumption.

If once was enough, why would it be necessary to do it for every star?

"Every star," is just a starting place, do you have a more logical starting point assuming God created life?

I can't help but notice you didn't answer my question. I'll try again: If one planet containing life was enough, why would it be necessary to have life in every solar system?

I have one pet spider. I just have the one pet spider. I am happy with my pet spider. So why would I need to buy a hundred other pet spiders? I don't want a hundred pet spiders, I just want the one. Maybe God just wants the one life-containing planet?

[Justin108]

[Replying to post 10 by Kenisaw]

Does anything intelligent ever do anything deliberately, once?
No, it is practically a definition.

I know several people who have one child because they deliberately chose to just have one child. So there you go. So much for it being "practically a definition".

[Replying to post 12 by Kenisaw]

I've done stuff only one time. Haven't you? For example, I went white water rafting once. I've no desire to do it ever again, especially when I fully realized the dangers of doing it (which didn't dawn on me until I was on the raft).

That's amazing: You went white water rafting once, and no one ever did it again?

Someone else may have done it more than once but Kenisaw didn't. So evidently, individuals can choose to do something just once. The fact that other people then did white water rafting doesn't change the fact that Kenisaw did it only once.

Like: An intelligent thing does learn and repeat...

Unless the intelligent thing is omniscient, in which case the concept of learning no longer applies. What can an omniscient entity possibly learn?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 18 by Justin108]

If there was no practical purpose, why was it done?
All you are doing is slipping between concepts to avoid addressing the OP.

You certainly could turn this OP into a definitional thing, and not think at all:
Your could take a creationists view and define the OP away: The amount of life in the universe is perfect, because God said so, if we haven't seen it, it is because God doesn't want us to.

Consistent, inarguable, and as uninteresting as the day is long.

Now, if we apply thought, we might be able to figure things out. Tripping between individual intelligence and group intelligence is hardly a rational place to start... though it might be a destination.

Will God treat life like white water rafting? and never do it again?
Or will God treat life like white water rafting and do it many times?

RE Omniscient. You're absolutely right. An omniscient God would already know everything, so knowledge must not be one of the goals in life's creation... what is then?

What then would life on Earth be able to do or accomplish that omniscience can't?
Drama? Soap operas?