Life and God

[Willum]

If there were a Biblical God, wouldn't we find a lot more life in the universe?

If life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

At least that is the premise, any counter-views?

[Justin108]

If there was no practical purpose, why was it done?
All you are doing is slipping between concepts to avoid addressing the OP.

All I am doing is asking you to support your premise. Ironic that you would accuse me of avoiding addressing something when you're constantly avoiding my question. I will ask you for a third time: If one planet containing life was enough, why would it be necessary to have life in every solar system?

Your could take a creationists view and define the OP away: The amount of life in the universe is perfect, because God said so

I never said the amount of life in the universe is perfect. You, however, seem to be suggesting that we need more life but you cannot explain why.

I am not saying life is enough, I am asking why you think life isn't enough.

Consistent, inarguable, and as uninteresting as the day is long.

At no point did I make any of the arguments you accuse me of making.

Will God treat life like white water rafting? and never do it again?
Or will God treat life like white water rafting and do it many times?

God has done it over and over again... in case you haven't noticed, there's more than one life form on earth.

RE Omniscient. You're absolutely right. An omniscient God would already know everything, so knowledge must not be one of the goals in life's creation... what is then?

I don't know, but the OP isn't "what is the meaning of life?" Instead, the OP is a strange argument suggesting that an intelligent God would make life happen everywhere in the universe. But you have not once explained why an intelligent God would do this.

[Kenisaw]

[Replying to post 14 by Kenisaw]

Well I don't know, it seems to me Biblical God started once in the garden, again throwing us out of the garden, again with Abraham, again with the flood, again with Jesus.

Sure. I don't mean to imply that an intelligent being wouldn't repeat anything. I just don't see the justification for it repeating everything.

So the example of one person would be more accurate, would it not?

Perhaps, but we are exploring what we think we know about God, dismissing stuff on a guess is hardly in line with the topic.

Isn't it a "guess" that a creator being would make life happen more than once? That it is going to repeat everything it does? You can't be serious with this comment.

I'm not even sure why you are "exploring" the characteristics and habit of a creature that has no evidence that it even exists. Perhaps we should prove this critter exists before trying to figure out what it does in its spare time...

You can't state that about any one particular intelligent thing, and the creator being is most definitely a one of a kind according to cultists.

You might be wrong.

The cultists might be right or wrong. I don't have a dog in this hunt.

[Replying to post 15 by benchwarmer]

This reply is more in the spirit of the OP. It is more interesting to judge this OP based on God's actions, rather than the opinions of his devoted followers.

Again, discussing actions of a being that can't be shown to exist? Maybe we should discuss the artistic talents of Sasquatch, and just forget that there is no proof for them...

[Willum]

[Replying to post 21 by Justin108]

My premise all begin with "If."
Good luck with me supporting an "if."

If one planet containing life was enough, why would it be necessary to have life in every solar system?

It doesn't, every solar system was just a line in the sand, if not every, is there a more reasonable assumption?

Sure. I don't mean to imply that an intelligent being wouldn't repeat anything. I just don't see the justification for it repeating everything.

Me either. Different kinds of life?
Different goals?
On the other hand, there is no justification for not repeating, except, that's what intelligence, or at least motivated, things do...

Isn't it a "guess" that a creator being would make life happen more than once? That it is going to repeat everything it does? You can't be serious with this comment.

Certainly, but if you guess there is nothing to talk about in the OP, you are right.
But if you make guesses about the OP's scenario, they can be discussed, explored, others made, and who knows, we might discover something about the assumptions of the "God," who made life.

I don't know, but the OP isn't "what is the meaning of life?" Instead, the OP is a strange argument suggesting that an intelligent God would make life happen everywhere in the universe. But you have not once explained why an intelligent God would do this.

Nope, the assumption is simply God did it once. The OP asks why it was not done again, using what we see around us as the only information we gots.

[Justin108]

My premise all begin with "If."
Good luck with me supporting an "if."

Let's look at those if's

If there were a Biblical God, wouldn't we find a lot more life in the universe?

In this if, we are expected to assume for argument sake that there was a Biblical God. Ok, I will assume for argument sake that there was a Biblical God. Next if...

If life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

In your second if, we are expected to assume for argument sake that life has a purpose.


So, in summary, we assume for argument sake that
- There is a Biblical God
- Life has a purpose

Now assuming the above two if's, what reason is there to conclude that God must therefore make life in every solar system in the universe? Your argument is a non sequitur

If one planet containing life was enough, why would it be necessary to have life in every solar system?

It doesn't, every solar system was just a line in the sand, if not every, is there a more reasonable assumption?

I have no idea what you're trying to say here

On the other hand, there is no justification for not repeating, except, that's what intelligence, or at least motivated, things do...

So unless you repeat everything you do a countless number of times, you are unmotivated and unintelligent? Is that what you're saying?

Isn't it a "guess" that a creator being would make life happen more than once? That it is going to repeat everything it does? You can't be serious with this comment.

Certainly, but if you guess there is nothing to talk about in the OP, you are right.
But if you make guesses about the OP's scenario, they can be discussed, explored, others made, and who knows, we might discover something about the assumptions of the "God," who made life.

Who did you quote here? That isn't my quote so I'm not exactly sure who you're addressing.

Nope, the assumption is simply God did it once. The OP asks why it was not done again

Actually the OP makes the following declarative statement

If life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

Again, I fail to see where you came to this conclusion

[Willum]

[Replying to post 24 by Justin108]

Great, I agree, no strong argument is made for every star having life. Just like every square section of road does require a car.

But I do not find it reasonable for God to have created life, once, and only once, using the same arguments you use contradictorily.

If indeed life fills some purpose for God, (your reasoning against the OP has at least taken us this far), then why wouldn't that purpose be required elsewhere?

[Justin108]

But I do not find it reasonable for God to have created life, once, and only once, using the same arguments you use contradictorily.

Can you elaborate? What do you mean by "the same arguments I use contradictorily"?

If indeed life fills some purpose for God, (your reasoning against the OP has at least taken us this far), then why wouldn't that purpose be required elsewhere?

Assuming life has a purpose, a single planet containing life may very well be enough to fulfill that purpose. My car has just one engine because it only needs one engine to fulfill its purpose. My room has just one light because it only needs one light. My living room has just one television because it only needs one television. Similarly, if life had meaning and if one planet containing life is enough, then there would be no need for more planets containing life.

[Willum]

[Replying to post 26 by Justin108]

Can you elaborate? What do you mean by "the same arguments I use contradictorily"?

It means, the arguments you are using can be used to support opposite conclusions.

Eg

Assuming life has a purpose, a single planet containing life may very well be enough to fulfill that purpose.

Or not, what makes the argument definitive one way or another?

My car has just one engine because it only needs one engine to fulfill its purpose.

But there are many many engines to fit your car (if it breaks), many many cars.

My room has just one light because it only needs one light.

My room has many lights, and if it goes out, there are many more, if I want one brighter, I get one brighter.

My living room has just one television because it only needs one television.

It probably doesn't need aTV at all.

Similarly, if life had meaning and if one planet containing life is enough, then there would be no need for more planets containing life.

and so, dis-similarly...

[Justin108]

Assuming life has a purpose, a single planet containing life may very well be enough to fulfill that purpose.

Or not, what makes the argument definitive one way or another?

Your OP makes the assumption that if life has purpose, and including the whole apple story,etc., we should see life everywhere, by design.

My argument is meant to demonstrate that your use of the word "should" is clearly inaccurate. If I can point out instances where a repetition is not always necessary in order to be intelligent, then clearly the claim that repetition should occur is false. Your OP suggests that it is necessary that God creates life everywhere. I demonstrate instead that it is not necessary, merely optional. God could make life everywhere, or God could choose a single planet. Your claim that God should make life everywhere is therefore unsupported.

My car has just one engine because it only needs one engine to fulfill its purpose.

But there are many many engines to fit your car (if it breaks), many many cars.

And if life on this planet ever "breaks", God can replace it in an instant if he chooses. I might need replacement engines in stock, but God does not need replacement life forms in stock somewhere. He can make them in an instant.

My room has just one light because it only needs one light.

My room has many lights, and if it goes out, there are many more, if I want one brighter, I get one brighter.

And if we "go out", again God can easily replace us. He does not need backup life forms on other planets.

My living room has just one television because it only needs one television.

It probably doesn't need aTV at all.

God probably doesn't need life forms either. Maybe we're his entertainment?

Similarly, if life had meaning and if one planet containing life is enough, then there would be no need for more planets containing life.

and so, dis-similarly...

My point is that if one is enough (for whatever reason), then one does not need more. So in order for your argument to work, you need to explain why one planet containing life is not enough. You've explained why one engine may not be enough or why one light bulb may not be enough, now please do the same here and explain why one life-containing planet is not enough?

[Willum]

[Replying to post 28 by Justin108]

So, OK, the destructive route you've insisted on is certainly within scope of the topic, what conclusions do you therefore draw?

(Of course if you have only undermined the topic, you've done no one any service, have you?)

[Justin108]

[Replying to post 28 by Justin108]

So, OK, the destructive route you've insisted on is certainly within scope of the topic, what conclusions do you therefore draw?

That the premise upon which your OP is based is flawed. There is no reason to expect an intelligent God to create life in every solar system.