Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?

[Diogenes]

In clinical practice, no clear guidelines exist to distinguish between "normal" religious beliefs and "pathological" religious delusions. Historically, psychiatrists such as Freud have suggested that all religious beliefs are delusional, while the current DSM-IV definition of delusion exempts religious doctrine from pathology altogether. ....
Religious beliefs and delusions alike can arise from neurologic lesions and anomalous experiences, suggesting that at least some religious beliefs can be pathological. Religious beliefs exist outside of the scientific domain; therefore they can be easily labeled delusional from a rational perspective.....

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15990520/
The question for debate is stated in the title, Are Religious Beliefs Delusional?
A subordinate question: Should we distinguish between a learned belief in supernatural phenomena and those who believe and attribute their beliefs to personal experience... and how could we tell?

[Inquirer]

Sorry, but that's delusional, God and ghosts are entirely different things not the same.

Poor ol' holy ghost don't get no respect.

Just because you've been misled about the term "ghost" doesn't help you here. Only the KJV translators ever chose to use the word "ghost" - why didn't you know this?

lol

"That bible there's it the wrong one to use."

Which bible / translation can we trust?

I did not say the KJV was the "wrong one to use" pretty much every translation has value, those seriously interested in hermeneutics will have several translations at their disposal, personally I never rely on just one translation, its a recipe for error as you have learned with this "ghost" claim.

Which ones are in the group of "pretty much every"?

I personally exclude The Passion Translation, there are a few others too.

And what disqualifies the KJV from being in among that bunch?

What do you mean "disqualifies"? I did not even use the term, I don't have a problem with the KJV, I just pointed out that the term "ghost" is misleading.

[JoeyKnothead]

Which bible / translation can we trust?

I did not say the KJV was the "wrong one to use" pretty much every translation has value, those seriously interested in hermeneutics will have several translations at their disposal, personally I never rely on just one translation, its a recipe for error as you have learned with this "ghost" claim.

Which ones are in the group of "pretty much every"?

I personally exclude The Passion Translation, there are a few others too.

I reckon what I'm curious about, is your criteria for im/proper translation, and what qualifications you have for making the call.

[Inquirer]

Which bible / translation can we trust?

I did not say the KJV was the "wrong one to use" pretty much every translation has value, those seriously interested in hermeneutics will have several translations at their disposal, personally I never rely on just one translation, its a recipe for error as you have learned with this "ghost" claim.

Which ones are in the group of "pretty much every"?

I personally exclude The Passion Translation, there are a few others too.

I reckon what I'm curious about, is your criteria for im/proper translation, and what qualifications you have for making the call.

Its a big subject with a long history, no way to meaningfully explain it here. If you want to learn more there are tons of resources for you.

I have no qualifications in the formal educational certificate sense if that's what you're asking.

[Difflugia]

I have no qualifications in the formal educational certificate sense if that's what you're asking.

What he's asking is why you think "ghost" is misleading. Whether you intended it that way or not, your support for the claim has so far been to insult JoeyKnothead and disparage (but only apparently?) the KJV. JoeyKnothead was asking why you (apparently) have a problem with the KJV, but you're now saying that you don't. Fine. Let's accept that you don't and we misunderstood whatever it was you were trying to tell us.

you've been misled about the term "ghost"

Why is the term "ghost" misleading?

[Inquirer]

I have no qualifications in the formal educational certificate sense if that's what you're asking.

What he's asking is why you think "ghost" is misleading. Whether you intended it that way or not, your support for the claim has so far been to insult JoeyKnothead and disparage (but only apparently?) the KJV. JoeyKnothead was asking why you (apparently) have a problem with the KJV, but you're now saying that you don't. Fine. Let's accept that you don't and we misunderstood whatever it was you were trying to tell us.

you've been misled about the term "ghost"

Why is the term "ghost" misleading?

I suggest you look at the history of the thread and the specifics of the conversation between Joey and I, this is how the issue of "ghost" originated.

Equating a belief in ghosts as being the same as a belief in God is misleading, wrong, untrue.

This is what Joey said:

when folk are yapping about "GOD" they are talking about a Ghost

I disagreed, given that we're discussing delusional beliefs and claims I would have thought my position on this would be welcomed by any open minded intelligent visitor to the thread.

Finally I reject the accusation that I insulted Joey, unless disagreeing is an insult in the eyes of some.

[Difflugia]

Equating a belief in ghosts as being the same as a belief in God is misleading, wrong, untrue.

So you've said. How is the term "ghost" misleading?

[Inquirer]

Equating a belief in ghosts as being the same as a belief in God is misleading, wrong, untrue.

So you've said. How is the term "ghost" misleading?

Read the posts, it misled Joey to form the view that belief in God and belief in ghosts are the same thing.

[Difflugia]

Read the posts,

I did. You've only asserted (without further justification) that God and ghosts aren't the same thing and that the wording of the Authorized Version led to a mistake.

it misled Joey to form the view that belief in God and belief in ghosts are the same thing.

How so? What about the term "ghost" is misleading?

[Inquirer]

Read the posts,

I did. You've only asserted (without further justification) that God and ghosts aren't the same thing and that the wording of the Authorized Version led to a mistake.

it misled Joey to form the view that belief in God and belief in ghosts are the same thing.

How so? What about the term "ghost" is misleading?

If it was not misleading then it would persist to this day in more recent Bible translations. Using the wrong term for something is to mislead the reader. So it is the use of term that is misleading.

If we want to gain insight into God we have the Bible, if we want to gain insight into ghosts we have M. R. James.

[Difflugia]

If it was not misleading then it would persist to this day in more recent Bible translations. Using the wrong term for something is to mislead the reader. So it is the use of term that is misleading.

You repeatedly insist that it is misleading, yet have so far either neglected or refused to explain why.