Do patterns of phylogenesis show evolution?

[Difflugia]

Question for debate: Are the patterns seen in molecular phylogenies sufficient to show that biological evolution occurred?

For reference and easier Googling, the science of generating evolutionary trees is known as cladistics or phylogenetic systematics. Using DNA sequence data to generate the trees is molecular phylogeny.

The standard of evidence I'll be discussing is reasonable doubt. Even that's pretty broad, but if your argument hinges on "possible," you should be able to at least quantify that.

I've generated phylogenies using online tools previously and discussed them in this post. I tried to start a tutorial in this thread. If someone wants to discuss how to actually use the tools and data, feel free to ask questions in the tutorial thread and I'll pick it back up.

This debate question is a response to this comment.

[marke]

Marke: A million false gods and erroneous beliefs do not falsify the truth about the One Creator God.

Super neato! Now, did you do this as asked?
"Just imagine that you were debating them and they informed you of their beliefs. Then imagine that their evidence was just them slandering your god concept and not providing any evidence whatsoever for their own beliefs to suggest that they might be credible."

Did you find their approach to be a good way for them to argue for their god concept, or was something lacking?

Marke: Nothing reasonable or logical or factual can be said against the truth, and fantasizing about unreal possibilities is a waste of time.

[Clownboat]

Marke: A million false gods and erroneous beliefs do not falsify the truth about the One Creator God.

Super neato! Now, did you do this as asked?
"Just imagine that you were debating them and they informed you of their beliefs. Then imagine that their evidence was just them slandering your god concept and not providing any evidence whatsoever for their own beliefs to suggest that they might be credible."

Did you find their approach to be a good way for them to argue for their god concept, or was something lacking?

Marke: Nothing reasonable or logical or factual can be said against the truth, and fantasizing about unreal possibilities is a waste of time.

In reply to the underlined above:
How possible is it for dead bodies to reanimate to life? How about living in a fish for 3 days? Or conjuring/sorcer'ing up fishes and loaves? Checking your words for consistency (Underlined above for you). <--- This is where you get to put me in my place by showing the validity of your positions and how they are consistent with your logic statement just above if you can. Can you?

You offer words, but no argument or evidence for why you typed them. Therefore, there is nothing to respond to.
So, once again I ask: Did you find their approach to be a good way for them to argue for their god concept, or was something lacking? <--- See how a question is asked? When in a debate, it is honorable to respond to questions asked of you.

[marke]

Marke: A million false gods and erroneous beliefs do not falsify the truth about the One Creator God.

Super neato! Now, did you do this as asked?
"Just imagine that you were debating them and they informed you of their beliefs. Then imagine that their evidence was just them slandering your god concept and not providing any evidence whatsoever for their own beliefs to suggest that they might be credible."

Did you find their approach to be a good way for them to argue for their god concept, or was something lacking?

Marke: Nothing reasonable or logical or factual can be said against the truth, and fantasizing about unreal possibilities is a waste of time.

In reply to the underlined above:
How possible is it for dead bodies to reanimate to life? How about living in a fish for 3 days? Or conjuring/sorcer'ing up fishes and loaves? Checking your words for consistency (Underlined above for you). <--- This is where you get to put me in my place by showing the validity of your positions and how they are consistent with your logic statement just above if you can. Can you?

You offer words, but no argument or evidence for why you typed them. Therefore, there is nothing to respond to.
So, once again I ask: Did you find their approach to be a good way for them to argue for their god concept, or was something lacking? <--- See how a question is asked? When in a debate, it is honorable to respond to questions asked of you.

Marke: Disbelieving miracles does not disprove miracles. Besides, how can unbelievers disbelieve the miracle of God's creation of the ordered universe by design while deliberately choosing to believe the miracle of creation was an unplanned accident of freak nature?

[Clownboat]

Marke: Disbelieving miracles does not disprove miracles.

No one claimed such a thing. Your response is delusional.

Besides, how can unbelievers disbelieve the miracle of God's creation of the ordered universe by design while deliberately choosing to believe the miracle of creation was an unplanned accident of freak nature?

All it takes is honesty. It is honest when I say that i don't know how the universe came about and I am not nor do I claim that some unplanned accident or freak of nature caused it. To pretend to know the unknowable is delusional.

It is hard to debate delusions. Are you unable to do better? Please be honest so readers can decide if they should take advantage of the 'ignore' feature built in to this forum.

Be well.

[marke]

Marke: Disbelieving miracles does not disprove miracles.

No one claimed such a thing. Your response is delusional.

Besides, how can unbelievers disbelieve the miracle of God's creation of the ordered universe by design while deliberately choosing to believe the miracle of creation was an unplanned accident of freak nature?

All it takes is honesty. It is honest when I say that i don't know how the universe came about and I am not nor do I claim that some unplanned accident or freak of nature caused it. To pretend to know the unknowable is delusional.

It is hard to debate delusions. Are you unable to do better? Please be honest so readers can decide if they should take advantage of the 'ignore' feature built in to this forum.

Be well.

Marke: Unbelievers who have no clue how the ordered universe could have miraculously and randomly exploded into ordered existence in a moment of time without design and without supernatural power show themselves dishonest and immoral for mocking Christians for believing the Bible.

[Clownboat]

Marke: Unbelievers who have no clue how the ordered universe could have miraculously and randomly exploded into ordered existence in a moment of time without design and without supernatural power show themselves dishonest and immoral for mocking Christians for believing the Bible.

No they don't. Your words are delusional and slanderous and you will fail to show that there is any truth to them. All I see is hate from you and this forum is not meant for spreading hateful rhetoric.
You do you though, so we can know you by your fruits!

[Rxlx]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #1]
Ther is zero evidence for evolution. Not a single iota or atom of anything evolved from anything else.

All scientists who claim evolution is true are GOD hating pagans.

All the supposed evolution links are merely similar creatures that died out during The Flood - which scientists don't believe.

Some living things - roses, dogs - can be selectively bred to have a vast range of differences but all roses are roses and all dogs is dogs and all dogs can clearly tell what is a dog and what is not.

On the other hand evolution's hero Satan's crossbreeding did result in the Nephilim and various hybrids before teh Flood - during which GOD drowned all the chimeras.
But it looks like he is once agian crossbreeding by using bodies, tissues and samples taken from abducted humans and cows that his UFO crews are constantly seeking.

[Difflugia]

On the other hand evolution's hero Satan's crossbreeding did result in the Nephilim and various hybrids before teh Flood - during which GOD drowned all the chimeras.
But it looks like he is once agian crossbreeding by using bodies, tissues and samples taken from abducted humans and cows that his UFO crews are constantly seeking.

Is there a journal article that discusses this? I'd love to read it.

[Clownboat]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #1]
Ther is zero evidence for evolution. Not a single iota or atom of anything evolved from anything else.

All scientists who claim evolution is true are GOD hating pagans.

All the supposed evolution links are merely similar creatures that died out during The Flood - which scientists don't believe.

Some living things - roses, dogs - can be selectively bred to have a vast range of differences but all roses are roses and all dogs is dogs and all dogs can clearly tell what is a dog and what is not.

On the other hand evolution's hero Satan's crossbreeding did result in the Nephilim and various hybrids before teh Flood - during which GOD drowned all the chimeras.
But it looks like he is once agian crossbreeding by using bodies, tissues and samples taken from abducted humans and cows that his UFO crews are constantly seeking.

Well... that is a lot of claims and spelling errors.
I would like to unsubscribe from your newsletter.

[Jose Fly]

Ther is zero evidence for evolution. Not a single iota or atom of anything evolved from anything else.

Other than the fact that we see it happen, all the time, right before our eyes.

I guess you're expecting people here to just go with your empty say-so over observed reality or something?

All scientists who claim evolution is true are GOD hating pagans.

Like Francis Collins?

https://www.pewresearch.org/science/200 ... s-collins/

All the supposed evolution links are merely similar creatures that died out during The Flood - which scientists don't believe.

Some living things - roses, dogs - can be selectively bred to have a vast range of differences but all roses are roses and all dogs is dogs and all dogs can clearly tell what is a dog and what is not.

On the other hand evolution's hero Satan's crossbreeding did result in the Nephilim and various hybrids before teh Flood - during which GOD drowned all the chimeras.
But it looks like he is once agian crossbreeding by using bodies, tissues and samples taken from abducted humans and cows that his UFO crews are constantly seeking.

The moon is made of cheese.

See? Anyone can go online and post all sorts of crazy crap. Doesn't make it true though.