Under What Circumstnces Should Christians Kill ?

[I AM ALL I AM]

Luke 19:27
"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me."

Exodus 22:20
"You must kill those who worship another god. "

Deuteronomy 13:6-10
"Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own."

Deuteronomy 13:12-16
"Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you."

Deuteronomy 17:2-7
"Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own."

The 'Ten Commandments' state that 'Thou shall not kill'. Yet other passages in the bible, both OT and NT, clearly encourage killing, even with JC (a.k.a. the 'Prince of Peace') making the statement in Luke 19:27 for followers to kill non-followers in front of him.

Which is it ?

Are you not supposed to kill ?

Or are you supposed to not kill, except when commanded by 'God' ?

Or, are you supposed to not kill those that have the same religious views and only kill those that have differing religious views ?

And are some of the passages within the bible that talk of killing those with different religious views the reason that many christians join the military ?

[scottlittlefield17]

The base problem with the OP is that is based on the Old Testament. I can just here it coming, "Soooo your God is a changing God.?" No not at all, everything that was in the Old testament is in the New Testament, however some of it was fulfilled. Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. A simple example, the animal sacrifices were a picture of Jesus dying on the cross and that was fulfilled by Christ's crucifixion and so it is still here it is just fulfilled. Nowhere in the New Testament does it condone Christians killing. "My kingdom is not of this world, if it were then would my servants fight", "If your enemy slaps you on the right cheek turn to him the other also", "You have heard that it was said Thou shalt not kill but I tell you whoever hates his brother is a murderer". In the OT God was giving commands to a political entity, that is carried over in Romans where it says that the government has been established to punish wrongdoers. However it is not the Christians place to be involved in government.

[I AM ALL I AM]

Exodus 21:12 "Anyone who strikes a man and kills him shall surely be put to death.

13 However, if he does not do it intentionally, but God lets it happen, he is to flee to a place I will designate.

14 But if a man schemes and kills another man deliberately, take him away from my altar and put him to death.

15 "Anyone who attacks [c] his father or his mother must be put to death.

16 "Anyone who kidnaps another and either sells him or still has him when he is caught must be put to death.

17 "Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.

You forgot these which are stated right after the ten commandments are given. All of these are contradictions. I mean it can be extremely confusing of what exactly this god wants.

Personal opinion here but I think someone put what they wanted for these parts. Or decided they should be that way to excempt certain people from being struck by things like this.

According to all this. You MUST kill those that oppose or you ignore these rulings you will be punished? So what it's saying is that yes kill but be prepared to face punishement your self. Even though it says to do so. Maybe I'm reading too much into it or just giving too much guess word towards this contradiction. =/ So I'm left curious as well.

G'day Sotomone.

I purposely made the list a short one.

There are many others, such as ...

Exodus 22:18 (KJV) "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live."

Leviticus 20:10 "And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, even he that committeth adultery with his neighbour's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall surely be put to death."

Leviticus 20:13 (KJV) "If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them."

Leviticus 20:27 (KJV) "A man also or woman that hath a familiar spirit, or that is a wizard, shall surely be put to death: they shall stone them with stones: their blood shall be upon them."

... and as such makes it quite a killing spree that you would have to go on if you actually followed the bible as a means to live your life.

The Chasers War On everything (an Australian comedy show) did a piece on this that you might find interesting (or at least humorous ) ...

[I AM ALL I AM]

The base problem with the OP is that is based on the Old Testament. ...

... Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. ...

G'day Scottlittlefield17.

The first quote that is in the OP is from the NT, Luke 19:27 to be precise.

It's funny that you use the quote from Matthew 5:17 (KJV) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.", for this shows that 'Jesus' was here to fulfil the laws written in the OT. So, in essence, 'Jesus' is approving of the laws from the OT regarding killing others.

[ChaosBorders]

The base problem with the OP is that is based on the Old Testament. ...

... Jesus came to fulfill the law not to abolish it. ...

G'day Scottlittlefield17.

The first quote that is in the OP is from the NT, Luke 19:27 to be precise.

It's funny that you use the quote from Matthew 5:17 (KJV) "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.", for this shows that 'Jesus' was here to fulfil the laws written in the OT. So, in essence, 'Jesus' is approving of the laws from the OT regarding killing others.

The parable is generally understood to be a reference to the second coming. So Christ does not appear to be advocating the killing of anyone until, at the earliest, he comes back. Given he hasn't come back yet, it does not seem Luke is advocating for us killing anyone.

Although understandable how you could choose to interpret the text such that Old Testament Laws still apply, few if any Christians interpret it the same as you, which brings about the question as to why you would bother.

Also, as a note on the ten commandments, it's pretty well established that versions using "Thou shalt not kill" are poor translations. "Thou shalt not murder" is the proper translation.

[AlexMapleoir]

Id say it depends on the Christian, not neccesarily by how "hard core fundy" they are,but how they interpret things.

Look at a few of them from the medieval Catholic church and theyd probably say "In defense of The Church and what is Holy."

Look at more pacifist ones who arent considered as "hard core" (based on other's interpretations) and thed say "Never".

Ultimately, its individualistic.

[TheFoolForHimAboveAll]

There are questions, of course.

What if somone breaks into your house and attacks you and your wife? If you let the attacker fulfill his intent, are you a murderer already? Which is more of a sin, killing or let be killed?

If hating someone is as good as murder, then I am as good as a murderer myself, and should have been put to death long ago. Upon Jesus' Crucifixion, he took care of every sin I ask forgiveness for.

OT:
Ecclesiastes 9:18 Wisdom is better than weapons of war
Isaiah 9:6 A child has been born...and he is named...Prince of Peace
Hosea 11:9 I am God not man; I will not come in wrath
Nahum 1:15 Behold, on the mountains the feet of Him who brings good news, Who announces peace! Celebrate your feasts, O Judah; Pay your vows. For never again will the wicked one pass through you; He is cut off completely!

It is interesting to note Nahum 1:15. It says 'on the mountains the feet of him who brings good news'. Why? In the old days, as soon as battles were concluded, a messenger would be dispatched to tell the cities of the outcome, often having to run a long distance. For instance, at the battle of Marathon in 490BC, where Athenians, aided by Plataea, fought a Persian force in an attempt by King Darius I to subjugate Greece. The Greeks beat of the Persian, and runners sent to cities. While back at Athens, 140miles away men were waiting eagerly for news of the battle. They watched the horizon, and when a runner appeared, they knew instantly whether they had won or lost, by the sight of his feet. The feet of a man who brings bad news of defeat and loss, he did not run with glee to tell the news, He dragged them, and was sorrowful. The feet of a man proclaiming victory, however, lifted his feet high, eager to tell of victory and honor.

The same with Jesus' feet. His feet are of good news, so thus it says "Behold, on the mountain the feet of Him who brings good news." Beautiful are his feet to the world!

NT:
Matthew 5:9 Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God
Matthew 5:43 Love your enemies; pray for persecutors
Luke 6:27 Love your enemies; bless those who persecute you
John 16:2 Anyone who kills you thinks he is offering service to God ...because they have not known the Father
Romans 12:17 Return no one evil for evil...live at peace with everyone
2 Corinthians 10:4 The weapons we fight with are not the weapons of the world.
Blessed are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. - Mt 5:7