Homosexuality

[Daystar]

Italy's nominee to become the European Union's Justice and Home Affairs commissioner failed on Monday to win the backing of the European Parliament's Justice Committee, days after testifying that he considers homosexuality a sin.

The panel narrowly failed to endorse Rocco Buttiglione, who is currently Italy's European Affairs minister, said Jean-Louis Bourlanges, chairman of the Justice Committee.

Buttiglione said that he would fight for the rights of homosexuals, but would not back away from his statement that the lifestyle is sinful.

Isn't this the way it should be? Fight for the rights of homosexuals, but individuals, but define their lifestyle as sinful (Lev. 18:22).

[Daystar]

Daystar wrote:

The male body was designed for a woman, and a woman's body designed for a man. Anal sex between men is as unnatural and repulsive as it gets, as are their other practices.

If you feel that homosexuality is 'repulsive' that is your opinion, but to say that it is 'unnatural' is hardly accurate, considering how prevalent these behaviors are among animals.

[Day] No, it is God's proclamation (Lev. 18:22). What animals do has no bearing on what we do because we are accountable to God, not them.

[Daystar]

Man, are you deceived

why do you assert that I am deceived? How? And by whom? How do you know you are not the one being deceived?

[Day] If you don't believe that you are a sinner, you have been decieved by the Deceiver (satan). Satan delights in tempting man to think that he doesn't sin. You have simply given into that temptation by believing it. Don't believe him. He is a liar and a deceiver.

We're all sinners.

I beg to differ. I most certainly am not. But you claim to be one. How are you a sinner?

[Day] Jesus Christ is the only one who never lied, stole anything, lusted, cheated, coveted, hated, deceived anyone, or disobeyed parents or God.If you have a track record like that, then you are not a sinner. But you only need to do one of them and you're guilty of all of them (Jas. 2:10). Imagine, Jesus never even thought about doing any of these things. If you even think about it, you have sinned. It is impossible NOT to sin. But that's why God sent Jesus into the world, to die for our sins that we might die to sin and live to righteousness. Once you are born again, you can do that. To become born again, turn to Christ and be willing to repent and receive him as your Savior.

While my sins have been forgiven by Christ, that doesn't mean I don't sin. But I don't sin like I used to, and when I do, I confess it, having been convicted of it. The believer's sins have been taken away by Christ, never to be remembered by God.

What do you call evil?

the absence of 'good'.

[Day] That's sin

[bernee51]

[Day] That's sin

evil is the absence of good.

Sin is a transgression against god's law. As that presupposes the existence of a god - a position I am unable to hold - my worldview does not include sin.

I'm sure it is very real for you though.

regards

[ENIGMA]

[Day] Doesn't the law of nature speak to you? The male body was designed for a woman, and a woman's body designed for a man. Anal sex between men is as unnatural and repulsive as it gets, as are their other practices. God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

Does this extend to two women as well or are their practices in that regard worth gawking at, in your opinion?

[Day] Worth gawking at? Same sex is an abomination to God.

Just checking for consistency...

I respect homosexuals as individuals who are entitled to the same rights as anyone else. I even have some who are friends. But their lifestyle is an abomination to God (lev. 18:22) and they need to repent (as do heterosexuals).

I take it then that you also consider the stoning of disobedient children to be a righteous and morally upright action to take? (Deut. 21:18-21).

[Day] The moral law (Tem Commandments) is binding on everyone. The Mosaic laws were given only to Israel. If they believe in the Torah, then why don't they do what it says? I can't answer that. Ask them. But since we are in the dispensation of grace, since Calvary, there is a better way: Repent, forgive and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Children shouldn't be stoned, but disciplined according to their behavior.

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Forgive me, but I'm a bit rusty on my Old Testament.... Which one of the 10 commandments forbids homosexuality again?

[Daystar]

[Day] That's sin

evil is the absence of good.

Sin is a transgression against god's law. As that presupposes the existence of a god - a position I am unable to hold - my worldview does not include sin.

[Day] You are certainly entitled to that view, but the major religions of the world do recognize sin, but differ on how to overcome it.

I'm sure it is very real for you though.

[Day] So real that Jesus died for it What do you believe about him?

regards

[Daystar]

[Day] The moral law (Tem Commandments) is binding on everyone. The Mosaic laws were given only to Israel. If they believe in the Torah, then why don't they do what it says? I can't answer that. Ask them. But since we are in the dispensation of grace, since Calvary, there is a better way: Repent, forgive and believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Children shouldn't be stoned, but disciplined according to their behavior.
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Forgive me, but I'm a bit rusty on my Old Testament.... Which one of the 10 commandments forbids homosexuality again?[/quote]

[Day] The Ten Commandments and Mosaic Laws were all given by God to Moses. In Lev. 18:22, homosexuality is an abomination. Homosexuality need not be identified in the Ten Commandments for it not to be considered sinful. Jesus condemned fornication and that would certainly include homosexuality (Mark 7:21-23)

Gays need to repent and trust Jesus to give them the power to overcome this sin. The same applies to heterosexuals who practice sex outside of marriage.

[bernee51]

You are certainly entitled to that view, but the major religions of the world do recognize sin, but differ on how to overcome it.

just because a lot of people and doctrines recognise sin doesn't mean it exists. Sin requires a god belief (IMHO) i.e. someone to sin against. For me sin, per se, is a non issue. Moral behaviour, OTOH, is very important to me. By moral behaviour I mean behaviour which is governed by a 'doctrine' of ahimsa, which equates to non-violence in thought and action. (That is a simple definition)

So real that Jesus died for it

so legend has it.

What do you believe about him?

I believe a person we know as Jesus may have existed, personally I am not convinced he was a historical figure.

It is more likely the whole story is a myth...very similar to many such myths common around that time and before. In fact, Paul, an educated, multilingual man would have most certainly been aware of other myths to which the Jesus story is almost identical. I would not be surprised if the whole lot was made up by him.

[ProfMoriarty]

As far as I can see, discrimination against homosexuals for no other reason than that you are told to do it, is bigotry of the worse type. We should have moved far beyond this sort of mindless religious hatred by now - we are no longer living in the Dark Ages.

If there was no commandment relating to this issue would you still regard it as an abomination that required the personal attention of christianity, or as simply the private inclinations of another person?

[Daystar]

You are certainly entitled to that view, but the major religions of the world do recognize sin, but differ on how to overcome it.

just because a lot of people and doctrines recognise sin doesn't mean it exists. Sin requires a god belief (IMHO) i.e. someone to sin against. For me sin, per se, is a non issue. Moral behaviour, OTOH, is very important to me. By moral behaviour I mean behaviour which is governed by a 'doctrine' of ahimsa, which equates to non-violence in thought and action. (That is a simple definition)

[Day] Why do you suppose that children have to be taught to be good? Doesn't it seem that it comes quite natural for children to do things for which they have to be corrected and, many times, punished? Why aren't children naturally good?

So real that Jesus died for it

so legend has it.

What do you believe about him?

I believe a person we know as Jesus may have existed, personally I am not convinced he was a historical figure.

[Day] Are you aware of the historical writings of Josephus, who was a first century historian?

It is more likely the whole story is a myth...very similar to many such myths common around that time and before. In fact, Paul, an educated, multilingual man would have most certainly been aware of other myths to which the Jesus story is almost identical. I would not be surprised if the whole lot was made up by him.

[Day] The Quran talks alot about Jesus. Is the Quran a myth too?

[Daystar]

As far as I can see, discrimination against homosexuals for no other reason than that you are told to do it, is bigotry of the worse type. We should have moved far beyond this sort of mindless religious hatred by now - we are no longer living in the Dark Ages.

If there was no commandment relating to this issue would you still regard it as an abomination that required the personal attention of christianity, or as simply the private inclinations of another person?

[Day] If there was no commandment, it would not be an abomination. Where there is no law, there is no sin. The commandments are moral issues based on revelation from the Creator. Therefore, we are accountable to him for our moral behavior. It is not narrow-minded Christians who try to impose anything on anyone, rather to call attention to the morality of the Creator.. Immorality is what brings ruin upon a society (Sodom, Gommorah, Babylon, Roman Empire, Soviet Union, etc.)