The spirituality of casual sex?

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The spirituality of casual sex?

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I have a few minutes to kill, so thought I’d bounce this off y’all.

For debate: can casual, recreational, uncommitted and even one-night sex between unmarried people be morally OK and even spiritually positive? If not, why not?
(Please read the entire OP before replying)

Background
Of course, it is deeply embedded in Christian moral teaching and culture to teach that all sex other than committed and married sex is wrong. Let’s stipulate that the tradition has taught that. But let’s set it aside for a minute.
Let’s also stipulate that a mainstream reading of the bible would seem to support this traditional teaching. But let’s set it aside for a minute.
And for the sake of this thread, let’s also set aside the “sovereignty� argument which would say something is right or wrong because God allegedly says it’s right or wrong, simply because not doing so would make this thread moot.
Lastly, for the sake of this thread, let’s stipulate that fully informed consent, birth control and a clean bill of health apply.

Hypothetical Analogy
Imagine a hypothetical analogous situation (and please excuse all unintended puns): imagine two master musicians who come from different musical traditions, different countries, and different backgrounds. They share no language other than maybe a few English words like “hi� “bye’ “yes� “no� “good� “bad� “stop� “more� and “thanks.� But they are fluent in music. They have never met before. They are intrigued by each others appearance and vibe. They get their instruments out. They start to communicate with music, finding common ground, listening, suggesting, floating ideas, trying new things, and improvising to greater complexity. Over the course of an hour or two, they create some incredible music, trancelike and passionate, new and fresh, all improvised, highly memorable, worthy of being recorded, but not recorded and never to be repeated. In the end, they have connected deeply in the only way they can, created something beautiful, been in the moment, and “touched� each other. They are elated and spent. They smile, embrace, express thanks, and leave. Perhaps they will do it again sometime, but life takes them elsewhere and they make no commitment, no contact, record deal or tour. Bu the memory lingers and is fond.
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Discussion
Improvising musicians (jazz, blues, indian, jam, bluegrass, etc) do that all the time, and often across genres and across cultures. Little gets recorded, little lasts. many enjoy it and some consider it a deeply spiritual experience of human connection and creation across borders and in the moment.
Can’t casual be sex the same? Why is it different, why is it wrong? Why is it not very right indeed? Many non-religious people think it is a good thing. As do many nominally religious people. But why wouldn’t very religious people embrace this as well (if we set aside traditional teachings and the sovereignty argument)? Whassup with that?

(BTW, I’m super monogamous and blissfully married. Just wonderin.’)

What say you?

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eutychus wrote:As an engineer, God hit this one out of the park. Creating a physical act that literally, through the chemical reactions in our brains, renews marital affection, that costs nothing, that offers tremendous physical pleasure in a world filled with frequent pain, that becomes a shared and exclusive experience that protects the stability of the entire family—just from a creative aspect, how can we not be in awe of this amazing invention of God that our culture describes by that little three-letter-word, 'sex'?
Huh?? You think an engineer is wise to place a playground an inch or so from a sewer? I think any such engineer would have been fired long ago.

And how does your opinion (you offer no corraboration) mesh with the reality of this planets high divorce rate? It would seem this 'Engineer' was quite incompetent.
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Re: The spirituality of casual sex?

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Slopeshoulder wrote:I have a few minutes to kill, so thought I’d bounce this off y’all.

For debate: can casual, recreational, uncommitted and even one-night sex between unmarried people be morally OK and even spiritually positive? If not, why not?
(Please read the entire OP before replying)
What say you?
If the act is OK'd by all parties and understood for what it really is, I see no problem with it is precations are takend and, if possible, responsibilities upheld.
Can it be spiritual? That likely depends on the people in question and what they're looking for.
Can it be moral?
If all parties are OK with it, absolutely.

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