often the argument for the existance of a god and or inteligent design is that othervise life or existance would be meaningless
how is meaning derived from a god?
why?
setting aside for a moment the realtivity of meaning as such and all that modern philosophy has to say on the subject, as obviously most religious people do not consider that valid, lets just try and asses how and why would a god make life meaningfull as oposed to meaningless
whats does one have to do with the other?
meaningfull Vs meaningless
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Re: meaningfull Vs meaningless
Post #2Which, it must be made clear, is no argument for the existence of anything other than a meaningless life. Postulating the existence of an entity in order to stave off an unpalatable consequence of the non-existence of such an entity is a complete non sequitur.Jura wrote:often the argument for the existance of a god and or inteligent design is that othervise life or existance would be meaningless.
What seems to be of prime importance to many thoughtful believers is a perceived intention behind our existence. This perception is not necessarily KO'd by our knowledge of biological or cosmic evolution. These scientifically identified processes could easily be viewed as a means to an end. Even when challenged to audit the intent all the way back to the beginning of universal time, hindsight will always provide us with a potential "pathway" through which god can be interposed with chance to manipulate his creation towards a desired outcome (no matter how this strains credibility).Jura wrote:how is meaning derived from a god?
why?
setting aside for a moment the realtivity of meaning as such and all that modern philosophy has to say on the subject, as obviously most religious people do not consider that valid, lets just try and asses how and why would a god make life meaningfull as oposed to meaningless
whats does one have to do with the other?
Meaning then, for some, might come from being more than just the fatherless outcome of some cosmic one-night stand.
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Post #3
It seems to me that we all derive 'meaning' where and as we do.
That one finds 'meaning' in their relationship to a divinity seems non-different to another finding meaning in a large bank account. One isn't 'righter', or 'wronger', 'meaning' is Perspectivally perceived and interpreted.
One man's 'meaningful' is another man's 'nonsense'. So?
"For every Perspective, there is an equal and opposite Perspective."
All of us are unique Perspectives.
What is the point of the OP? To ask 'why' (if there is a 'why', and I say that any 'why' comes from the same place as 'meaning', Perspective.) things have 'meaning' to some? Or is this directly related to those who find 'meaning' in 'spiritual pursuits'? Are we questioning 'why do they' instead of 'why do I' or 'why do we'? Finding 'meaning' in religion and finding 'meaning' in science are non-different on many levels.
"All statements are true (meaningful -n) in some sense, false (meaningless -n) in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense." -Robert Anton Wilson
That one finds 'meaning' in their relationship to a divinity seems non-different to another finding meaning in a large bank account. One isn't 'righter', or 'wronger', 'meaning' is Perspectivally perceived and interpreted.
One man's 'meaningful' is another man's 'nonsense'. So?
"For every Perspective, there is an equal and opposite Perspective."
All of us are unique Perspectives.
What is the point of the OP? To ask 'why' (if there is a 'why', and I say that any 'why' comes from the same place as 'meaning', Perspective.) things have 'meaning' to some? Or is this directly related to those who find 'meaning' in 'spiritual pursuits'? Are we questioning 'why do they' instead of 'why do I' or 'why do we'? Finding 'meaning' in religion and finding 'meaning' in science are non-different on many levels.
"All statements are true (meaningful -n) in some sense, false (meaningless -n) in some sense, meaningless in some sense, true and false in some sense, true and meaningless in some sense, false and meaningless in some sense, and true and false and meaningless in some sense." -Robert Anton Wilson
