Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

[Greatest I Am]

Muslims see sin as a challenge, except for sex?

In speaking with Muslims, I have found that they see sin as something to be conquered and they are not shy about taking on the challenge of fighting their desires for sin.
A good trait to my mind.

Except for sexual matters.

With these sins and temptations, Muslims hide their temptation away, with clothing and social separation, and never face and conquer this particular group of sins. An example of this would be weddings where the females are separated from the males.

Know that some are more liberal than others and there is some liberalization but think that this is not the common Muslim.

Why is there a double standard?

Face and conquer, so to speak, other sins, but hide from sexual ones.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I Am]

Well, thn I would like to ask what kind of other sins, which Muslims feel easily tempted and go through easily beside sex. Can I have those sins please

For example, if you were a doctor and discovered the cure to cancer, you would be considered the greatest doctor on earth. You subsequently are puffed up with pride and arrogance. If you translated the logic behind covering up sexual temptations, then the answer would be to never discover the cure to cancer in the first place. You are not allowing the temptation to manifest itself and therefore there is no growth in your spiritual life since you are not overcoming sin. You're simply blocking out the world.

So in easy words, you mean that Muslims should show their sexual desires like westerner do? right friend??

No.

They should just not run away from it and hide it by men imposing their will against women and rob them of equality.
Evil is not fought with a greater evil. Evil is balanced or fought with good.
The good of conquering the desire to sin.

Regards
DL

[TrueReligion]

Well, thn I would like to ask what kind of other sins, which Muslims feel easily tempted and go through easily beside sex. Can I have those sins please

For example, if you were a doctor and discovered the cure to cancer, you would be considered the greatest doctor on earth. You subsequently are puffed up with pride and arrogance. If you translated the logic behind covering up sexual temptations, then the answer would be to never discover the cure to cancer in the first place. You are not allowing the temptation to manifest itself and therefore there is no growth in your spiritual life since you are not overcoming sin. You're simply blocking out the world.

So in easy words, you mean that Muslims should show their sexual desires like westerner do? right friend??

No.

They should just not run away from it and hide it by men imposing their will against women and rob them of equality.
Evil is not fought with a greater evil. Evil is balanced or fought with good.
The good of conquering the desire to sin.

Regards
DL

If you are refering to Hijab(Veil), its not only in Islam, its in other religion as well, in many parts of India, Hindu women veil as well, in order to protect themselves, in Bible its mention as well, and early women, back in 1700,1800 use as well, though not complete, but major part of body they cover, and still in some part of US, and many christians in these days as well ddo it.
So its not basicaly men couldd;nt control their desires, and they force their women to cover-up, its a nature of human, woman is a temptation for a man, and can easily attract man , rather thn man attracting woman.
Mosltly rape cases hapen, where women are victim, hardly any cases are there where men is victim, and being raped by woman:)

So I guess, this tellls all, and also I hope this is what you were trying to discuss

[Greatest I Am]

Well, thn I would like to ask what kind of other sins, which Muslims feel easily tempted and go through easily beside sex. Can I have those sins please

For example, if you were a doctor and discovered the cure to cancer, you would be considered the greatest doctor on earth. You subsequently are puffed up with pride and arrogance. If you translated the logic behind covering up sexual temptations, then the answer would be to never discover the cure to cancer in the first place. You are not allowing the temptation to manifest itself and therefore there is no growth in your spiritual life since you are not overcoming sin. You're simply blocking out the world.

So in easy words, you mean that Muslims should show their sexual desires like westerner do? right friend??

No.

They should just not run away from it and hide it by men imposing their will against women and rob them of equality.
Evil is not fought with a greater evil. Evil is balanced or fought with good.
The good of conquering the desire to sin.

Regards
DL

If you are refering to Hijab(Veil), its not only in Islam, its in other religion as well, in many parts of India, Hindu women veil as well, in order to protect themselves, in Bible its mention as well, and early women, back in 1700,1800 use as well, though not complete, but major part of body they cover, and still in some part of US, and many christians in these days as well ddo it.
So its not basicaly men couldd;nt control their desires, and they force their women to cover-up, its a nature of human, woman is a temptation for a man, and can easily attract man , rather thn man attracting woman.
Mosltly rape cases hapen, where women are victim, hardly any cases are there where men is victim, and being raped by woman:)

So I guess, this tellls all, and also I hope this is what you were trying to discuss

Most experts will tell you that rape is not a crime that is sexually motivated but that it is a crime of power and control. It just happens, not to down play the crime, to have a sexual component.

This does not take away the fact that Muslins are loathe to take it’s challenges the way they do for other sins.

As to a woman protecting herself with clothing, this is a useless move and in the case of Muslim‘s, it is imposed by men onto the women.

I would suggest that it may be better to train the men away from control instead of allowing them to exercise it more by imposing dress codes.

Regards
DL

[cholland]

If you are refering to Hijab(Veil), its not only in Islam, its in other religion as well, in many parts of India, Hindu women veil as well, in order to protect themselves, in Bible its mention as well, and early women, back in 1700,1800 use as well, though not complete, but major part of body they cover, and still in some part of US, and many christians in these days as well ddo it.
So its not basicaly men couldd;nt control their desires, and they force their women to cover-up, its a nature of human, woman is a temptation for a man, and can easily attract man , rather thn man attracting woman.
Mosltly rape cases hapen, where women are victim, hardly any cases are there where men is victim, and being raped by woman:)

So I guess, this tellls all, and also I hope this is what you were trying to discuss

I think you are taking a good principle to an extreme form of law. Yes, women are prone to adorn themselves in order to attract attention. They should focus on the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit. Yet you cannot take this good principle and take it to an extreme external law - all women should cover up as much as possible.

Why do you block out this temptation and not all others that lead to all sorts of sins? Pride, arrogance, selfishness, jealousy, hatred, etc.? If you took the same logic that X tempts man, then avoid X, everybody would have their head in the sand. There's no growth, no mortification of sin, no purification.

[TrueReligion]

[quote="Greatest I Am
Most experts will tell you that rape is not a crime that is sexually motivated but that it is a crime of power and control. It just happens, not to down play the crime, to have a sexual component.

This does not take away the fact that Muslins are loathe to take it’s challenges the way they do for other sins.

As to a woman protecting herself with clothing, this is a useless move and in the case of Muslim‘s, it is imposed by men onto the women.

I would suggest that it may be better to train the men away from control instead of allowing them to exercise it more by imposing dress codes.

Regards
DL[/quote]

Well, I heard it 1st time that rape is not a crime,:) For your information friend, Philpine is CHristian country, and the punishment of rape is Death penalty there. so does it means christianity is unhuman religion. right?
In singapore, if u found with drugs on airport, its death penalty, so its also cruel andd un--humman punishment right?

May I know how many evidence you have, and how many women of Islam you talked, who say that they were imposed Hijab bby their men, ofcourse your stamement requires proof as well:)

Also, I will give you the sex crime rate ratio of world, analyze yourself, and find, the ccountries which abandon the hijab, or which make it practice, . This will make conclusion of this discussion

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_r ... per-capita

http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/236/R ... World.html

Rape and Sexual Harrasment Myths.
http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamli ... myths.html

[TrueReligion]

If you are refering to Hijab(Veil), its not only in Islam, its in other religion as well, in many parts of India, Hindu women veil as well, in order to protect themselves, in Bible its mention as well, and early women, back in 1700,1800 use as well, though not complete, but major part of body they cover, and still in some part of US, and many christians in these days as well ddo it.
So its not basicaly men couldd;nt control their desires, and they force their women to cover-up, its a nature of human, woman is a temptation for a man, and can easily attract man , rather thn man attracting woman.
Mosltly rape cases hapen, where women are victim, hardly any cases are there where men is victim, and being raped by woman:)

So I guess, this tellls all, and also I hope this is what you were trying to discuss

I think you are taking a good principle to an extreme form of law. Yes, women are prone to adorn themselves in order to attract attention. They should focus on the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit. Yet you cannot take this good principle and take it to an extreme external law - all women should cover up as much as possible.

Why do you block out this temptation and not all others that lead to all sorts of sins? Pride, arrogance, selfishness, jealousy, hatred, etc.? If you took the same logic that X tempts man, then avoid X, everybody would have their head in the sand. There's no growth, no mortification of sin, no purification.

I think you should read the reply I gave, it will justfy my answer as well, please also ccheck the statstics it will clear all the answers

[cholland]

I think you are taking a good principle to an extreme form of law. Yes, women are prone to adorn themselves in order to attract attention. They should focus on the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit. Yet you cannot take this good principle and take it to an extreme external law - all women should cover up as much as possible.

Why do you block out this temptation and not all others that lead to all sorts of sins? Pride, arrogance, selfishness, jealousy, hatred, etc.? If you took the same logic that X tempts man, then avoid X, everybody would have their head in the sand. There's no growth, no mortification of sin, no purification.

I think you should read the reply I gave, it will justfy my answer as well, please also ccheck the statstics it will clear all the answers

I'm not too into statistics. What reply are you referring to? I don't see any of my questions answered in any of your posts. How do you grow in your religion?

[TrueReligion]

I think you are taking a good principle to an extreme form of law. Yes, women are prone to adorn themselves in order to attract attention. They should focus on the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit. Yet you cannot take this good principle and take it to an extreme external law - all women should cover up as much as possible.

Why do you block out this temptation and not all others that lead to all sorts of sins? Pride, arrogance, selfishness, jealousy, hatred, etc.? If you took the same logic that X tempts man, then avoid X, everybody would have their head in the sand. There's no growth, no mortification of sin, no purification.

I think you should read the reply I gave, it will justfy my answer as well, please also ccheck the statstics it will clear all the answers

I'm not too into statistics. What reply are you referring to? I don't see any of my questions answered in any of your posts. How do you grow in your religion?

Your questions are answered in the reply of Greatest Iam, n If you think that wearing hijab it blocks a wome growth, her education, job etc, its wrong, My wife was a christian, and she turned to Muslim coz she liked the teachings, andd was tired of christian culture, and sexual harrasment, she put hijab of her own choice, and she is working still as well.
Any More complications my friend?

[cholland]

I think you are taking a good principle to an extreme form of law. Yes, women are prone to adorn themselves in order to attract attention. They should focus on the beauty of a gentle and quiet spirit. Yet you cannot take this good principle and take it to an extreme external law - all women should cover up as much as possible.

Why do you block out this temptation and not all others that lead to all sorts of sins? Pride, arrogance, selfishness, jealousy, hatred, etc.? If you took the same logic that X tempts man, then avoid X, everybody would have their head in the sand. There's no growth, no mortification of sin, no purification.

I think you should read the reply I gave, it will justfy my answer as well, please also ccheck the statstics it will clear all the answers

I'm not too into statistics. What reply are you referring to? I don't see any of my questions answered in any of your posts. How do you grow in your religion?

Your questions are answered in the reply of Greatest Iam, n If you think that wearing hijab it blocks a wome growth, her education, job etc, its wrong, My wife was a christian, and she turned to Muslim coz she liked the teachings, andd was tired of christian culture, and sexual harrasment, she put hijab of her own choice, and she is working still as well.
Any More complications my friend?

I'm not talking about women. I'm talking about YOU. How do YOU grow in your religion? By avoiding any sort of situation that might tempt you to sin? That's not growth.

[Greatest I Am]

[quote="Greatest I Am
Most experts will tell you that rape is not a crime that is sexually motivated but that it is a crime of power and control. It just happens, not to down play the crime, to have a sexual component.

Not nice to just quote half a statement and then distort what I said.
This is not honest debate.

Well, I heard it 1st time that rape is not a crime,:) For your information friend, Philpine is CHristian country, and the punishment of rape is Death penalty there. so does it means christianity is unhuman religion. right?
In singapore, if u found with drugs on airport, its death penalty, so its also cruel andd un--humman punishment right?

Yes it is not good justice. Good justice is closer to an eye for an eye or better said, the penalty should fit the crime.

ay I know how many evidence you have, and how many women of Islam you talked, who say that they were imposed Hijab bby their men, ofcourse your stamement requires proof as well:)

Shall I get the stats on how many Muslim girls are killed for wanting to modernize and not wear what their parents tell them to?

Also, I will give you the sex crime rate ratio of world, analyze yourself, and find, the ccountries which abandon the hijab, or which make it practice, . This will make conclusion of this discussion

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_r ... per-capita

http://www.libraryindex.com/pages/236/R ... World.html

Rape and Sexual Harrasment Myths.
http://www.d.umn.edu/cla/faculty/jhamli ... myths.html

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I will look up these sites.

Regards
DL