what does islam say abot terrorism ?

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:28 am

Islam, a religion of mercy, does not permit terrorism. In the Quran, God has said:

“God does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. God loves just dealers.” (Quran 60:8)

The Prophet Muhammad, may God praise him, used to prohibit soldiers from killing women and children,[1] and he would advise them: “...Do not betray, do not be excessive, do not kill a newborn child.”[2] And he also said: “Whoever has killed a person having a treaty with the Muslims shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise, though its fragrance is found for a span of forty years.”[3]

Also, the Prophet Muhammad has forbidden punishment with fire.[4]

He once listed murder as the second of the major sins,[5] and he even warned that on the Day of Judgment, “The first cases to be adjudicated between people on the Day of Judgment will be those of bloodshed.[6]”[7]

Muslims are even encouraged to be kind to animals and are forbidden to hurt them. Once the Prophet Muhammad said: “A woman was punished because she imprisoned a cat until it died. On account of this, she was doomed to Hell. While she imprisoned it, she did not give the cat food or drink, nor did she free it to eat the insects of the earth.”[8]

He also said that a man gave a very thirsty dog a drink, so God forgave his sins for this action. The Prophet, may God praise him, was asked, “Messenger of God, are we rewarded for kindness towards animals?” He said: “There is a reward for kindness to every living animal or human.”[9]

Additionally, while taking the life of an animal for food, Muslims are commanded to do so in a manner that causes the least amount of fright and suffering possible. The Prophet Muhammad said: “When you slaughter an animal, do so in the best way. One should sharpen his knife to reduce the suffering of the animal.”[10]

In light of these and other Islamic texts, the act of inciting terror in the hearts of defenseless civilians, the wholesale destruction of buildings and properties, the bombing and maiming of innocent men, women, and children are all forbidden and detestable acts according to Islam and the Muslims. Muslims follow a religion of peace, mercy, and forgiveness, and the vast majority have nothing to do with the violent events some have associated with Muslims. If an individual Muslim were to commit an act of terrorism, this person would be guilty of violating the laws of Islam.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:24 am

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: muslims who helping non-muslims to kill real muslims are converted
they are not our brothers
they are your brothers
because they helped you to kill us
( i do not know if you understand me or not )

I understand what you are saying, it simply makes no sense. How is an outsider to your religion able to know who is a real muslim and who is not? From your description all it takes to become a non muslim is to give aid to someone that is not a muslim which of course makes it very difficult for western aid agencies to help out those muslims that could use help. If what you say is true I think that the richer islamic nations out there really need to step up and fill in the aid gaps that your version of muslim makes western aid impossible. It also seems that all it takes in your view to be a real muslim is to kill a non muslim or at least a muslim that helps out a non muslim.

wyvern i am sure
you know every thing about islam and you want to hug it but i do not know why you still talking like that about it

I will be the first to admit my knowledge of islam is limited, but really the over reactions displayed by people of your faith leave much to be desired.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:02 am

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No offense, but why should anyone believe you? Why should we even believe Mohammed? Answer these questions with evidence.[/quote]

do you know what allah says in quraan
he says (( As for the disbelievers, whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not.))

listen the evidence is so clear ( it is quraan ) you must read it and open your heart while you read it but if you do not believe god !! that will be so proplem because you will never believe any body

ok if you are so busy i,ll tell you what allah says about that

In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

(( Say ("He is Allah, (the) One.
allah us samad.
He begets not, nor was He begotten;
And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."))

allah told mohammed that to learn it to all of people and he did (peace be ubon him )

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:59 am

Wyvern wrote:
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote: muslims who helping non-muslims to kill real muslims are converted
they are not our brothers
they are your brothers
because they helped you to kill us
( i do not know if you understand me or not )

I understand what you are saying, it simply makes no sense. How is an outsider to your religion able to know who is a real muslim and who is not? From your description all it takes to become a non muslim is to give aid to someone that is not a muslim which of course makes it very difficult for western aid agencies to help out those muslims that could use help. If what you say is true I think that the richer islamic nations out there really need to step up and fill in the aid gaps that your version of muslim makes western aid impossible. It also seems that all it takes in your view to be a real muslim is to kill a non muslim or at least a muslim that helps out a non muslim.

wyvern i am sure
you know every thing about islam and you want to hug it but i do not know why you still talking like that about it
I will be the first to admit my knowledge of islam is limited, but really the over reactions displayed by people of your faith leave much to be desired.

do you know what mohammed says about non-muslims ??

he said : (( when someone kills any non-muslim who live in same area who deal with you ( he mean if they not warriors ) he will never smell the paradise ))

wyvern .. that is mean we must and we had better respect non-muslims who live in our country because mohammed (pbuh) orderd us

but i was talking about war
in wars every body must protect their silves ..right??
so when any body try to kill you you will kill him first .. right ??
so non-muslims killing muslims in iraq so they must protect their silves..right??
and other cults of bad muslims who help the non-muslims to kill poor muslims
good muslims ( must kill them ) to protect their familes and their country too

and i do not want to talk about wars we here to talk about mercy of islam

do you understand me ?

now can you please convert to islamic religion and pray to allah

allah will forgive you and he will start a new page for you alah said that

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:10 am

McCulloch wrote:
BROCK wrote:so come on wyvern and all of you ppl follow mohammed and be a good muslims allah will love you and take you to the paradise
believe me guys
No offense, but why should anyone believe you? Why should we even believe Mohammed? Answer these questions with evidence.

if you really want to know why should you believe mohammed take your time and read this essay
you have to read it ok
when you read all of it i think you will convert to islam because i know you have a brain you are not animal , you are not stupid you can read it and then you can decide

here is it

it is so long but it,s not junk it is about religions and it,s about hell and haven so please read all of it

Among these proofs:

1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Koran that we now have between our hands. This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.

2. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes [the royal title for the Zoroastrian kings of Persia] and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.

3. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Koran that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Koran challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Koran. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Koran.

Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Koran.

4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.

5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.

Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.

6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history.

Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him.

Those who believe in Muhammad, sleep in the manner he slept; purify themselves (through ablution and ritual washing) in the manner he purified himself; and adhere to his practice in the way they eat, drink, and clothe themselves.

Indeed in all aspects of their lives, the believers in Muhammad adhere to the teachings he spread among them and the path that he traveled upon during his life.

During every generation, from his day till our time, the believers in this Noble Prophet have fully adhered to his teachings. With some, this has reached the degree that they desire to follow and adhere to the Prophet's way in his personal matters regarding which Allah has not sought of them to adhere to in worship. For example, some will only eat those specific foods or only wear those specific garments that the Messenger liked.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad repeat those praises of Allah, special prayers, and invocations that he would say during each of his actions during day and night, like: what he would say when he greeted people, upon entering and leaving the house, entering and leaving the mosque, entering and leaving the bathroom, going to sleep and awaking from sleep, observing the new crescent, observing the new fruit on trees, eating, drinking, dressing, riding, traveling and returning from travel, etc.

Let alone all that, all those who believe in Muhammad fully perform-even to the minute detail-every act of worship-like prayer, fasting, charity, and pilgrimage-as this Noble Messenger (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) taught and as he himself performed.

All of this allows those who believe in him, to live their lives in all aspects with this Noble Messenger as their example, as if he was standing before them, for them to follow in all their doings.

8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.

9. Since his day, in every region of the earth and during every period, this Noble Prophet has been followed by individuals from all races, colors and peoples. Many of those who followed him were previously Christians, Jews, pagans, idolaters, or without any religion. Among those who chose to follow him, were those who were known for their sound judgment, wisdom, reflection, and foresight. They chose to follow this Noble Prophet after they witnessed the signs of his truthfulness and the evidences of his miracles. They did not choose to follow Muhammad out of compulsion or coercion or because they had adopted the ways of their fathers and mothers.

Indeed many of the followers of this Prophet (may Allah's blessings peace be upon him), chose to follow him during the time when Islam was weak, when there were few Muslims, and when there was severe persecution of his followers on earth. Most people who have followed this Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) have done so not to acquire some material benefits. Indeed many of his followers have suffered the greatest forms of harm and persecution as a result of following this Prophet. Despite all this harm and persecution, this did not turn them back from his religion.

My brethren! All of this clearly indicates to anyone possessing any sense, that this Prophet was truly and really Allah's messenger and that he was not just a man who claimed prophethood or spoke about Allah without knowledge.

10. With all this, Muhammad came with a great religion in its credal and legal make-up.

Muhammad described Allah with qualities of complete perfection, and at the same time in a manner that is free of ascribing to Him any imperfection. Neither the philosophers or the wise could ever describe Allah like such. Indeed it is impossible to imagine that any human mind could conceive of an existing being that possesses such complete ability, knowledge, and greatness; Who has subdued the creation; Who has encompassed everything in the universe, small or large; and Who possesses such perfect mercy.

Nor is it in the ability of any human being to place a perfect law based upon justice, equality, mercy and objectivity for all human activity on earth like the laws that Muhammad brought for all spheres of human activity - like buying and selling, marriage and divorce, renting, testimony, custody, and all other contracts that are necessary to uphold life and civilization on earth.

11. It is impossible that any person conceive wisdom,, morals, good manners, nobleness of characters as what this honorable Prophet (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought.

In a full and complete manner, Muhammad spread a teaching regarding character and manners toward one' parents, relatives, fiends, family, humanity, animals, plants and inanimate objects. It is impossible for the human mind alone to grasp all of that teaching or come with a similar teaching.

All of that unequivocally indicates that this Messenger did not bring an) of this religion from his own accord, but that it was rather a teaching and inspiration that he received from the One Who created the earth and the high heavens above and created this universe in its miraculous architecture and perfection.

12. The legal and credal make-up of the religion that the Messenger, Muhammad, (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) brought resembles the engineering of the heavens and the earth. All of that indicates that He who created the heavens and the earth is the One Who sent down this great law and upright religion.

The degree of inimitability of the Divine law that was sent down upon Muhammad is to the same degree of inimitability of the Divine creation of the heavens and earth. For just as humanity cannot create this universe, in the same manner humanity cannot bring forth a law like Allah's law that He sent down upon His servant and messenger Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him).

Source: www.islaam.com

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 10:42 am

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:1. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) was raised illiterate, unable to read or write, and remained like that till his death. Among all his people, he was known as being truthful and trustworthy. Before receiving revelation, he had no prior knowledge of Religion or any previously sent Message. He remained like that for his first forty years. Revelation then came to Muhammad with the Koran that we now have between our hands. This Koran mentioned most of the accounts found in the previous scriptures, telling us about these events in the greatest detail as if he witnessed them. These accounts came precisely as they were found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus. Neither the Jews or Christians were able to belie him regarding anything that he said.

How do we know this?

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:2. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also foretold of everything that would occur to him and his community after him, pertaining to victory, the removal of the tyrannical kingdoms of Chosroes and Caesar, and the establishment of the religion of Islam throughout the earth. These events occurred exactly as Muhammad foretold, as if he was reading the future from an open book.

Please provide specific examples. Fulfilled prophesy is a very difficult claim to establish.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:3. Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) also brought an Arabic Koran that is the peak of eloquence and clarity. The Koran challenged those eloquent and fluent Arabs of his time, who initially belied him, to bring forth a single chapter like the Koran. The eloquent Arabs of his day were unable to contest this Koran.

Indeed, till our day, none has ever dared to claim that he has been able to compose words that equal-or even approach-the order, grace, beauty, and splendor of this Glorious Koran.

Some people say that the English used in the King James Bible is the most glorious English ever. Such claims are both subjective and non sequitur.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:4. The life history of this Noble Prophet was a perfect example of being upright, merciful, compassionate, truthful, brave, generous, distant from all evil character, and ascetic in all worldly matters, while striving solely for the reward of the Hereafter. Moreover, in all his actions and dealings, he was ever mindful and fearful of Allah.

This includes child rape?

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:5. Allah instilled great love for Muhammad (may Allah's blessings and peace be upon him) in the hearts of all who believed in and met him. This love reached such a degree that any of his companions would willingly sacrifice his (or her) self, mother or father for him.

Till today, those who believe in Muhammad honor and love him. Anyone of those who believe in him would ransom his own family and wealth to see him, even if but once.

Are you arguing that because people are fiercely dedicated to a cause, it must be true?

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:6. All of history has not preserved the biography of any person in the manner it has preserved the life of Muhammad, who is the most influential human in history.

Nor has the entire earth known of anyone whom every morning and evening, and many times thereafter throughout the day, is thought of by those who believe in him. Upon remembering Muhammad, the believers in him will greet him and ask Allah to bless him. They do such with full hearts and true love for him.

Damn! I keep hearing that Jesus was the most important. Your assertion has no evidential support.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:7. Nor has there every been a man on earth whom is still followed in all his doings by those who believe in him. [...]

Have you ever heard of the True Scotsman fallacy?

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:8. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.

People obey and love him, therefore he must be right?

I'll have to deal with 9 and on later. Meanwhile, perhaps you need to review what is a logical fallacy and what actually constitutes evidence.

Wyvern · Post by **Wyvern** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:24 pm

CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:[
do you know what mohammed says about non-muslims ??

he said : (( when someone kills any non-muslim who live in same area who deal with you ( he mean if they not warriors ) he will never smell the paradise ))

wyvern .. that is mean we must and we had better respect non-muslims who live in our country because mohammed (pbuh) orderd us
Does this mean that it's okay to kill nonmuslims that are just visiting your area and is it also okay to kill nonmuslims if you go to where they live to do it? If not then someone should have told the people that did the Bali and Madrid bombings.

but i was talking about war
in wars every body must protect their silves ..right??
so when any body try to kill you you will kill him first .. right ??
so non-muslims killing muslims in iraq so they must protect their silves..right??
and other cults of bad muslims who help the non-muslims to kill poor muslims
good muslims ( must kill them ) to protect their familes and their country too

and i do not want to talk about wars we here to talk about mercy of islam
Strangely enough I was not talking about war. Most of the muslims being killed in Iraq have absolutely nothing to do with the nonmuslims in Iraq, unless you think just going to the market to get food is in some way giving aid to them.

do you understand me ?

now can you please convert to islamic religion and pray to allah

allah will forgive you and he will start a new page for you alah said that
You have yet to give a reason for converting, and sorry although please is called the magic word it doesn't constitute a reason.

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:13 pm

McCulloch ... your comments are strange because every thing is clear but because i want to help you i will answer your comments

you said :

How do we know this?

it found in the Torah sent down to Moses and in the Gospel sent down to Jesus.
you have to belive that because allah told you in torah and gospel and quraan and jesus said that too (written in quraan) you have to search about islamic religion because it is the truth

you said :

you want some proofs

he said when the resurrection become soon there will be a very huge buildings
he looked to the moon then the moon become two parts then it back and that is happened front all of arabs in that night ( it is in quraan ) and before few years ago space men found the moon two parts and half of them became a muslims
and there is so many examples...etc

you said :

Some people say that the English used in the King James Bible is the most glorious English ever. Such claims are both subjective and non sequitur

because you can not read arabic you will never know how much is it different
note : most of arabs before 1400 years became muslims because they surbrised of quraan they said : we have never seen like this book
(and thats because it is written by god allah)

you said :

This includes child rape?

i do not know what are you talking about !! it is not clear (rape)

you said :

Are you arguing that because people are fiercely dedicated to a cause, it must be true?

we love mohammed so much we love him more than our lives and more than our families peace be upon him

you said :

Damn! I keep hearing that Jesus was the most important. Your assertion has no evidential support.

muslims loves jesus more than christians you know?!
yeah muslims love all of prophets
jesus has told us about mohammed peace be upon him . he said he will come after me and he will be the final prophet and
so allah promised to keep the quraan safe no body can change any thing in quraan
but torah and gospel changed by people and you know that

you said :

Have you ever heard of the True Scotsman fallacy?

no iam sorry

you said :

People obey and love him, therefore he must be right?

I'll have to deal with 9 and on later. Meanwhile, perhaps you need to review what is a logical fallacy and what actually constitutes evidence.

. There has never been nor will there ever be a man anywhere upon this earth who has received such love, respect, honor, and obedience in all matters-small and large alike-as has this Noble Prophet.

yeah you have to believe that
why not !!

McCulloch... pease think about it before you die and then the sorry will never be useful .. do you know something the disbelievers will cry and weep till they bleed from their eyes after the judgment day because the are so sorry because they heard the real but they does not believe
please
McCulloch
think about it
it is so clear

good bye
McCulloch

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:36 pm

Wyvern wrote:
CONVERTED TO ISLAM wrote:[
do you know what mohammed says about non-muslims ??

he said : (( when someone kills any non-muslim who live in same area who deal with you ( he mean if they not warriors ) he will never smell the paradise ))

wyvern .. that is mean we must and we had better respect non-muslims who live in our country because mohammed (pbuh) orderd us
Does this mean that it's okay to kill nonmuslims that are just visiting your area and is it also okay to kill nonmuslims if you go to where they live to do it? If not then someone should have told the people that did the Bali and Madrid bombings.

but i was talking about war
in wars every body must protect their silves ..right??
so when any body try to kill you you will kill him first .. right ??
so non-muslims killing muslims in iraq so they must protect their silves..right??
and other cults of bad muslims who help the non-muslims to kill poor muslims
good muslims ( must kill them ) to protect their familes and their country too

and i do not want to talk about wars we here to talk about mercy of islam
Strangely enough I was not talking about war. Most of the muslims being killed in Iraq have absolutely nothing to do with the nonmuslims in Iraq, unless you think just going to the market to get food is in some way giving aid to them.

do you understand me ?

now can you please convert to islamic religion and pray to allah

allah will forgive you and he will start a new page for you alah said that
You have yet to give a reason for converting, and sorry although please is called the magic word it doesn't constitute a reason.

you have to know that there is jihad and there is a terrorism
jihad muslims are do that for allah they kill warrior people or people who helps warriors
but terrorists are not good muslims and there is non-muslims terrorists too
soterrorism are not in islamic religion as i said in first of this page

and about iraq there is a non-muslims and they call them silves muslims but they are not
so most of that people who call their silves muslims are hellping americans to kill that poors and i have so many pictures and videos i can give them to you if you like
so they must be killed just like american who went to iraq to kill them Ooh come on wyvern that is so clear they are the real terrorists
till when?????????? you want to said no !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

iam asking you to hug islam because i know that you know every thing about it but you do not want to hug it because sheitan (satan ) who whispers into hearts always tell you not to believe in islam

CONVERTED TO ISLAM · Post by **CONVERTED TO ISLAM** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:36 pm

i think every thing is clear right now

carolineislands · Post by **carolineislands** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:57 pm