Muslims worship Muhammad…

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

[Apple Pie]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Indeed, Muslims use the term "Muhammad" in the same breath as their god "allah".

Taking this one step further, they are not far away from understanding that the term "Muhammad", as used in their book of faith, can only be understood as referring to a God-man.

In fact, the term "Muhammad" as used in the Koran, can only be an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ.

Thus, their understanding is close to its source (i.e. the Holy Bible) but yet so far away from actual truth...

[muhammad rasullah]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua� in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua�, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God�s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don�t let the title fool you � he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre�history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally�accepted views on Islamic �history�):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well�written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie�s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped� The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as �blasphemy� � surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

Indeed, Muslims use the term "Muhammad" in the same breath as their god "allah".

Taking this one step further, they are not far away from understanding that the term "Muhammad", as used in their book of faith, can only be understood as referring to a God-man.

In fact, the term "Muhammad" as used in the Koran, can only be an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ.

Thus, their understanding is close to its source (i.e. the Holy Bible) but yet so far away from actual truth...

What the heck are you talking about. The term Muhammad. It's not a term it's a name for the prophet (pbuh). Just because the two names are mentioned in the same breath does not mean that Muhammad is worshipped or anything close to it. In fact it is the complete opposite. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, Muhammadar Rasulullah. How could anyone get from that that Muhammad is worshipped. Kinda farfetched to me.

In fact, the term "Muhammad" as used in the Koran, can only be an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ

Muhammad in the quran is not an epithet for Jesus in the bible. The quran does not prove anything for the christians view of Jesus in the bible.

Taking this one step further, they are not far away from understanding that the term "Muhammad", as used in their book of faith, can only be understood as referring to a God-man.

Show were in the quran Muhammad is referred to as a God-man. Don't make silly statements you have no evidence for.
How is the bible a source for the quran? where are you getting this from?

[Apple Pie]

What the heck are you talking about. The term Muhammad. It's not a term it's a name for the prophet (pbuh). Just because the two names are mentioned in the same breath does not mean that Muhammad is worshipped or anything close to it. In fact it is the complete opposite. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, Muhammadar Rasulullah. How could anyone get from that that Muhammad is worshipped. Kinda farfetched to me.

In fact, the term "Muhammad" as used in the Koran, can only be an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ

Muhammad in the quran is not an epithet for Jesus in the bible. The quran does not prove anything for the christians view of Jesus in the bible.

Taking this one step further, they are not far away from understanding that the term "Muhammad", as used in their book of faith, can only be understood as referring to a God-man.

Show were in the quran Muhammad is referred to as a God-man. Don't make silly statements you have no evidence for.
How is the bible a source for the quran? where are you getting this from?

Let's start by defining the term "Muhammad"...

محمد = “muhammad�

“muhammad� definition:

Passive participle. A man praised much, or repeatedly, or time after time; endowed with many praiseworthy qualities. Praised one.

It comes from the root “hamida� (ha-miim-dal), which means he praised, eulogized, or commended him; spoke well of him; mentioned him with approbation; sometimes because of favor received. Also implies admiration; and it implies the magnifying, or honoring, of the object thereof; and lowliness, humility, or submissiveness, in the person who offers it. He declared the praises of God or he praised God much with good forms of praise.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 638 – 640
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 135 - 136
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 38
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 56


Occurrences of “muhammad� in the Koran: 4
Locations: 3.144, 33.40, 47.2, 48.29

Occurrences of the root “hamida� and its sixteen derivatives in the Koran: 68
Locations: 1.2, 2.30, 2.267, 3.144, 3.188, 4.131, 6.1, 6.45, 7.43, 9.112, 10.10, 11.73, 13.13, 14.1, 14.8, 14.39, 15.98, 16.75, 17.44, 17.52, 17.79, 17.111, 18.1, 20.130, 22.24, 22.64, 23.28, 25.58, 27.15, 27.59, 27.93, 28.70, 29.63, 30.18, 31.12, 31.25, 31.26, 32.15, 33.40, 34.1(2x), 34.6, 35.1, 35.15, 35.34, 37.182, 39.29, 39.74, 39.75(2x), 40.7, 40.55, 40.65, 41.42, 42.5, 42.28, 45.36, 47.2, 48.29, 50.39, 52.48, 57.24, 60.6, 61.6, 64.1, 64.6, 85.8, 110.3

Observe the Koranic usages…

• 1.2…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 2.30…praise to the lord
• 2.267…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 3.144…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 3.188…they are praised – painful torture
• 4.131…praise to “allah�
• 6.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 6.45…and the praise belonging to “allah�, lord
• 7.43…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 9.112…the praise to “allah�
• 10.10…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 11.73…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 13.13…on account of the praise, “allah�
• 14.1…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 14.8…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 14.39…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 15.98…lord’s praise
• 16.75…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 17.44…on account of his praise, “allah�, lord
• 17.52…on account of his praise, lord
• 17.79…lord praised
• 17.111…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 18.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 20.130…lord’s praise
• 22.24…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 22.64…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 23.28…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 25.58…on account of lords praise
• 27.15…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 27.59…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 27.93…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 28.70…the praise to “allah�
• 29.63…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 30.18…the praise, “allah�
• 31.12…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 31.25…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 31.26…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 32.15…lord’s praise
• 33.40…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 34.1…the praise belonging to “allah�(2x)
• 34.6…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 35.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 35.15…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 35.34…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 37.182…and the praise belonging to “allah�, lord
• 39.29…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 39.74…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 39.75…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 39.75…lord’s praise
• 40.7…lord’s praise
• 40.55…lord’s praise
• 40.65…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 41.42…praiseworthy, lord
• 42.5…lord’s praise
• 42.28…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 45.36…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 47.2…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 48.29…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 50.39…lord’s praise
• 52.48…lord’s praise
• 57.24…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 60.6…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 61.6…a MAN praised
• 64.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 64.6…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 85.8…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 110.3…lord’s praise



Summarizing this data, we have the following premises upon which to build our understanding of the Koranic “Muhammad�:

• The word itself is not a proper name
• The word is a participle…i.e. it combines the functions of both adjective and verb
• It applies to one man
• This man is praised
• He is the only man praised
• The root “hamida�, from which “Muhammad� is derived, refers to the praising of God
• Surveying all 68 Koranic occurrences of the root “hamida� and its sixteen derivatives, demonstrates the overwhelming usage in direct relation to Koranic deity (i.e. “allah�, lord)
• The only Koranic instance of a derivative not pertaining to deity is in 3.188 - in which people are tortured for accepting praises – thus, reserving “praise� for deity only
• This leaves us with 5 ayahs that “appear� to buck the trend
• All 5 of these ayahs refer to a man
• All 5 ayahs refer to a man that is praised


Thus…

This begs the question…

1) How could the “praising� (that is reserved only for Koranic deity) be applied to a single man?

[muhammad rasullah]

What the heck are you talking about. The term Muhammad. It's not a term it's a name for the prophet (pbuh). Just because the two names are mentioned in the same breath does not mean that Muhammad is worshipped or anything close to it. In fact it is the complete opposite. There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah, Muhammadar Rasulullah. How could anyone get from that that Muhammad is worshipped. Kinda farfetched to me.

In fact, the term "Muhammad" as used in the Koran, can only be an epithet for the Biblical Jesus Christ

Muhammad in the quran is not an epithet for Jesus in the bible. The quran does not prove anything for the christians view of Jesus in the bible.

Taking this one step further, they are not far away from understanding that the term "Muhammad", as used in their book of faith, can only be understood as referring to a God-man.

Show were in the quran Muhammad is referred to as a God-man. Don't make silly statements you have no evidence for.
How is the bible a source for the quran? where are you getting this from?

Let's start by defining the term "Muhammad"...

محمد = “muhammad�

“muhammad� definition:

Passive participle. A man praised much, or repeatedly, or time after time; endowed with many praiseworthy qualities. Praised one.

It comes from the root “hamida� (ha-miim-dal), which means he praised, eulogized, or commended him; spoke well of him; mentioned him with approbation; sometimes because of favor received. Also implies admiration; and it implies the magnifying, or honoring, of the object thereof; and lowliness, humility, or submissiveness, in the person who offers it. He declared the praises of God or he praised God much with good forms of praise.

References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume two, pp. 638 – 640
The Dictionary of the Holy Qur’an, 1st edition, Abdul Mannan Omar pp. 135 - 136
A Dictionary and Glossary of the Koran, John Penrice, p. 38
Concordance of the Koran, Gustav Flugel, p. 56


Occurrences of “muhammad� in the Koran: 4
Locations: 3.144, 33.40, 47.2, 48.29

Occurrences of the root “hamida� and its sixteen derivatives in the Koran: 68
Locations: 1.2, 2.30, 2.267, 3.144, 3.188, 4.131, 6.1, 6.45, 7.43, 9.112, 10.10, 11.73, 13.13, 14.1, 14.8, 14.39, 15.98, 16.75, 17.44, 17.52, 17.79, 17.111, 18.1, 20.130, 22.24, 22.64, 23.28, 25.58, 27.15, 27.59, 27.93, 28.70, 29.63, 30.18, 31.12, 31.25, 31.26, 32.15, 33.40, 34.1(2x), 34.6, 35.1, 35.15, 35.34, 37.182, 39.29, 39.74, 39.75(2x), 40.7, 40.55, 40.65, 41.42, 42.5, 42.28, 45.36, 47.2, 48.29, 50.39, 52.48, 57.24, 60.6, 61.6, 64.1, 64.6, 85.8, 110.3

Observe the Koranic usages…

• 1.2…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 2.30…praise to the lord
• 2.267…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 3.144…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 3.188…they are praised – painful torture
• 4.131…praise to “allah�
• 6.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 6.45…and the praise belonging to “allah�, lord
• 7.43…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 9.112…the praise to “allah�
• 10.10…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 11.73…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 13.13…on account of the praise, “allah�
• 14.1…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 14.8…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 14.39…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 15.98…lord’s praise
• 16.75…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 17.44…on account of his praise, “allah�, lord
• 17.52…on account of his praise, lord
• 17.79…lord praised
• 17.111…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 18.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 20.130…lord’s praise
• 22.24…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 22.64…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 23.28…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 25.58…on account of lords praise
• 27.15…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 27.59…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 27.93…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 28.70…the praise to “allah�
• 29.63…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 30.18…the praise, “allah�
• 31.12…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 31.25…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 31.26…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 32.15…lord’s praise
• 33.40…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 34.1…the praise belonging to “allah�(2x)
• 34.6…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 35.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 35.15…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 35.34…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 37.182…and the praise belonging to “allah�, lord
• 39.29…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 39.74…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 39.75…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 39.75…lord’s praise
• 40.7…lord’s praise
• 40.55…lord’s praise
• 40.65…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 41.42…praiseworthy, lord
• 42.5…lord’s praise
• 42.28…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 45.36…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 47.2…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 48.29…a MAN praised much – praised one
• 50.39…lord’s praise
• 52.48…lord’s praise
• 57.24…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 60.6…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 61.6…a MAN praised
• 64.1…the praise belonging to “allah�
• 64.6…“allah� is praiseworthy
• 85.8…the praiseworthy – one of the names of “allah�
• 110.3…lord’s praise



Summarizing this data, we have the following premises upon which to build our understanding of the Koranic “Muhammad�:

• The word itself is not a proper name
• The word is a participle…i.e. it combines the functions of both adjective and verb
• It applies to one man
• This man is praised
• He is the only man praised
• The root “hamida�, from which “Muhammad� is derived, refers to the praising of God
• Surveying all 68 Koranic occurrences of the root “hamida� and its sixteen derivatives, demonstrates the overwhelming usage in direct relation to Koranic deity (i.e. “allah�, lord)
• The only Koranic instance of a derivative not pertaining to deity is in 3.188 - in which people are tortured for accepting praises – thus, reserving “praise� for deity only
• This leaves us with 5 ayahs that “appear� to buck the trend
• All 5 of these ayahs refer to a man
• All 5 ayahs refer to a man that is praised


Thus…

This begs the question…

1) How could the “praising� (that is reserved only for Koranic deity) be applied to a single man?

Exactly as the christians do you have no right to translate peoples names. If a persons name is Yeheshua/ Eassau then translate it as Jesus. If a persons name is Cephus then you have no right to translate it as Peter. The same with the Quran. The prophets name is Muhammad not the praised man or anything like that. The meaning of the name is the praised one But when Muhammad is mentioned in the quran it is not translated by the meaning of the name, the actual name is there. So when reading the verse from the Quran when his name is mentioned it is read as translated rightfully as,
33:40 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

3:144 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

47:2 (Y. Ali) But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

48:29 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

It would make no sense to translate everytime Muhammad is mentioned as the praised one when that is his name. Nobody refers to you by the meaning of your name, they call you by your name. This does not show evidence of Muhammad being praised as God was or is. Because the quran still states about Allah that

14:1 (Asad) Alif. Lam. Ra. [1] A DIVINE WRIT [is this -a revelation] which We have bestowed upon thee from on high in order that thou might bring forth all mankind, by their Sustainer's leave, out of the depths of darkness into the light: onto the way that leads to the Almighty, the One to whom all praise is due -

1:2 All praise is due to Allah
Muhammad is the praised one yes and he is praised by Allah. And Allah has given him praise through those who believe in Allah and follow islam.

How could the “praising� (that is reserved only for Koranic deity) be applied to a single man?

[/quote]
Nowhere in the Quran will you find the prophet Muhammad being praised as only Allah should be praised!

[Apple Pie]

Exactly as the christians do you have no right to translate peoples names. If a persons name is Yeheshua/ Eassau then translate it as Jesus. If a persons name is Cephus then you have no right to translate it as Peter. The same with the Quran. The prophets name is Muhammad not the praised man or anything like that. The meaning of the name is the praised one But when Muhammad is mentioned in the quran it is not translated by the meaning of the name, the actual name is there. So when reading the verse from the Quran when his name is mentioned it is read as translated rightfully as,
33:40 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

3:144 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

47:2 (Y. Ali) But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

48:29 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

It would make no sense to translate everytime Muhammad is mentioned as the praised one when that is his name. Nobody refers to you by the meaning of your name, they call you by your name. This does not show evidence of Muhammad being praised as God was or is. Because the quran still states about Allah that

14:1 (Asad) Alif. Lam. Ra. [1] A DIVINE WRIT [is this -a revelation] which We have bestowed upon thee from on high in order that thou might bring forth all mankind, by their Sustainer's leave, out of the depths of darkness into the light: onto the way that leads to the Almighty, the One to whom all praise is due -

1:2 All praise is due to Allah
Muhammad is the praised one yes and he is praised by Allah. And Allah has given him praise through those who believe in Allah and follow islam.

How could the “praising� (that is reserved only for Koranic deity) be applied to a single man?

Nowhere in the Quran will you find the prophet Muhammad being praised as only Allah should be praised!

You just missed the point...

The term "Muhammad" was never a proper name in the classic Arabic of the Koran.

It was merely a participle meaning "praised one"....and only later became a name...and now there are millions of "Muhammads" out there...

That is why it only appears a scant four times in your book of faith.

Further, all root derivatives apply to Koranic deity.

This then forces the term "Muhammad" to also pertain to deity...a God-man.

[muhammad rasullah]

Exactly as the christians do you have no right to translate peoples names. If a persons name is Yeheshua/ Eassau then translate it as Jesus. If a persons name is Cephus then you have no right to translate it as Peter. The same with the Quran. The prophets name is Muhammad not the praised man or anything like that. The meaning of the name is the praised one But when Muhammad is mentioned in the quran it is not translated by the meaning of the name, the actual name is there. So when reading the verse from the Quran when his name is mentioned it is read as translated rightfully as,
33:40 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

3:144 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is no more than an apostle: many Were the apostle that passed away before him. If he died or were slain, will ye then Turn back on your heels? If any did turn back on his heels, not the least harm will he do to Allah. but Allah (on the other hand) will swiftly reward those who (serve Him) with gratitude.

47:2 (Y. Ali) But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to Muhammad - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

48:29 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is the apostle of Allah. and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other. Thou wilt see them bow and prostrate themselves (in prayer), seeking Grace from Allah and (His) Good Pleasure. On their faces are their marks, (being) the traces of their prostration. This is their similitude in the Taurat; and their similitude in the Gospel is: like a seed which sends forth its blade, then makes it strong; it then becomes thick, and it stands on its own stem, (filling) the sowers with wonder and delight. As a result, it fills the Unbelievers with rage at them. Allah has promised those among them who believe and do righteous deeds forgiveness, and a great Reward.

It would make no sense to translate everytime Muhammad is mentioned as the praised one when that is his name. Nobody refers to you by the meaning of your name, they call you by your name. This does not show evidence of Muhammad being praised as God was or is. Because the quran still states about Allah that

14:1 (Asad) Alif. Lam. Ra. [1] A DIVINE WRIT [is this -a revelation] which We have bestowed upon thee from on high in order that thou might bring forth all mankind, by their Sustainer's leave, out of the depths of darkness into the light: onto the way that leads to the Almighty, the One to whom all praise is due -

1:2 All praise is due to Allah
Muhammad is the praised one yes and he is praised by Allah. And Allah has given him praise through those who believe in Allah and follow islam.

How could the “praising� (that is reserved only for Koranic deity) be applied to a single man?

Nowhere in the Quran will you find the prophet Muhammad being praised as only Allah should be praised!

You just missed the point...

The term "Muhammad" was never a proper name in the classic Arabic of the Koran.

It was merely a participle meaning "praised one"....and only later became a name...and now there are millions of "Muhammads" out there...

That is why it only appears a scant four times in your book of faith.

Further, all root derivatives apply to Koranic deity.

This then forces the term "Muhammad" to also pertain to deity...a God-man.

The point is that you are trying to assume that just because in the name Muhammad there is the root word for praise that Muhammad is some sort of God-man. When the Quran clearly rejects your claim. You have no proof just mere speculation because in the verses you qouted it clearly states that Muhammad is no more than a messenger of Allah. If a person is named hameed is he Allah then? Is he a God-man? What is your logic? The prophet Muhammad's name was also Abdullah which means slave of Allah. So how is he a God-man? again where in there Quran does it say this? You won't find it. If he is as you say then it should be easy to find a verse in the Quran without twisting so many words and meanings around as you are doing.

The term "Muhammad" was never a proper name in the classic Arabic of the Koran.

Prove it? This Can't be true because his name was always there and it was always Muhammad.

It was merely a participle meaning "praised one"....and only later became a name...and now there are millions of "Muhammads" out there...

Okay so tell me how Muhammad the prophet who the Quran was revealed to is mentioned four times by name in the Quran then it's no longer a name, and then becomes a name again. Please explain?

[Apple Pie]

The point is that you are trying to assume that just because in the name Muhammad there is the root word for praise that Muhammad is some sort of God-man.

All Koranic root derivatives are used in direct reference to either "allah" or lord.

This is not assumption.

This is fact.

When the Quran clearly rejects your claim.

The Koran actually backs up our assertion.

You have no proof just mere speculation because in the verses you qouted it clearly states that Muhammad is no more than a messenger of Allah.

Please show us the Arabic word that you want to render as ..."no more than".....

If a person is named hameed is he Allah then? Is he a God-man? What is your logic? The prophet Muhammad's name was also Abdullah which means slave of Allah. So how is he a God-man? again where in there Quran does it say this? You won't find it. If he is as you say then it should be easy to find a verse in the Quran without twisting so many words and meanings around as you are doing.

The term "Muhammad" was never a proper name when the Koran was penned.

Okay so tell me how Muhammad the prophet who the Quran was revealed to is mentioned four times by name in the Quran then it's no longer a name, and then becomes a name again. Please explain?

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


“I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired�


Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.


What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.

[muhammad rasullah]

The point is that you are trying to assume that just because in the name Muhammad there is the root word for praise that Muhammad is some sort of God-man.

All Koranic root derivatives are used in direct reference to either "allah" or lord.

This is not assumption.

This is fact.

When the Quran clearly rejects your claim.

The Koran actually backs up our assertion.

You have no proof just mere speculation because in the verses you qouted it clearly states that Muhammad is no more than a messenger of Allah.

Please show us the Arabic word that you want to render as ..."no more than".....

If a person is named hameed is he Allah then? Is he a God-man? What is your logic? The prophet Muhammad's name was also Abdullah which means slave of Allah. So how is he a God-man? again where in there Quran does it say this? You won't find it. If he is as you say then it should be easy to find a verse in the Quran without twisting so many words and meanings around as you are doing.

The term "Muhammad" was never a proper name when the Koran was penned.

Okay so tell me how Muhammad the prophet who the Quran was revealed to is mentioned four times by name in the Quran then it's no longer a name, and then becomes a name again. Please explain?

If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


“I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired�


Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.


What it does claim, however, is that it merely copied and translated the previous inspired Jewish and Christian scriptures into Arabic.

You have not proven that the Quran backs up any of your claims. Show me some proof.

The term "Muhammad" was never a proper name when the Koran was penned.

Where is the proof?

[quote+"Apple Pie"]
If this is the case, then where in all of the Koran is anything like the following written…


“I, Muhammad, wrote this here Koran�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, dictated this here Koran�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was inspired by an angel�

Or…

“I, Muhammad, was divinely inspired�


Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.


Not once.[/quote]

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that. You will not find statements I Muhammad was divinely inspired. What you will find is,
2:185 (Y. Ali) Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

44:3 (Y. Ali) We sent it down during a Blessed Night: for We (ever) wish to warn (against Evil).

Allah revealed the Quran to Muhammad
3:3 (Y. Ali) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

6:19 (Y. Ali) Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "(Allah) is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah." Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."

6:155 (Y. Ali) And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy:
17:82 (Y. Ali) We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.
26:192 (Y. Ali) Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:

36:5 (Y. Ali) It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.
39:1 (Y. Ali) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom.

40:2 (Y. Ali) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, Exalted in Power, Full of Knowledge,-

41:3 (Y. Ali) A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-

Muhammad being taught the Quran
87:6 (Y. Ali) By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,

The Quran will also not say That I muhammad wrote the Quran because he did not write it he couldn't read or write.

[quote+"Apple Pie"]Fact is, the Koran never once mentions who wrote the text, or that it was divinely inspired.[/quote]

It is amazing how you are asking me for evidences that you yourself cannot produce for your own scripture. You ask me to show you were it says Allah sent it to Muhammad. I have done so. Now can you show me where the bible says God sent down the bible?
Can you show me who wrote the bible? All of the books of the bible the answer is no!

[Apple Pie]

You have not proven that the Quran backs up any of your claims. Show me some proof.

Where is the proof?

The classic definition, complete with a full concordance, was provided in post #193...

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

You will not find statements I Muhammad was divinely inspired.

You will not find any statements because "Muhammad" had nothing to do with it...

What you will find is,
2:185 (Y. Ali) Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

44:3 (Y. Ali) We sent it down during a Blessed Night: for We (ever) wish to warn (against Evil).

Allah revealed the Quran to Muhammad
3:3 (Y. Ali) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

6:19 (Y. Ali) Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "(Allah) is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah." Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."

6:155 (Y. Ali) And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy:
17:82 (Y. Ali) We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.
26:192 (Y. Ali) Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:

36:5 (Y. Ali) It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.
39:1 (Y. Ali) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom.

40:2 (Y. Ali) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, Exalted in Power, Full of Knowledge,-

41:3 (Y. Ali) A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-

Muhammad being taught the Quran
87:6 (Y. Ali) By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Further, "The Truth" refers to only Jesus Christ per 4.171...thus making your book of faith Jesus' Book.

The Quran will also not say That I muhammad wrote the Quran because he did not write it he couldn't read or write.

Nor does it state that anyone named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the Koran.

Be honest.

It is amazing how you are asking me for evidences that you yourself cannot produce for your own scripture. You ask me to show you were it says Allah sent it to Muhammad. I have done so. Now can you show me where the bible says God sent down the bible?
Can you show me who wrote the bible? All of the books of the bible the answer is no!

Sure thing...

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)


And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)


And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)


The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

John was directly inspired to write down the Words of God.

You will find nothing at all like this in the Koran.

According to the Koran itself, its material is neither divinely inspired, nor influenced by someone named "Muhammad" in any way, shape, or form.

[muhammad rasullah]

You have not proven that the Quran backs up any of your claims. Show me some proof.

Where is the proof?

The classic definition, complete with a full concordance, was provided in post #193...

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

You will not find statements I Muhammad was divinely inspired.

You will not find any statements because "Muhammad" had nothing to do with it...

What you will find is,
2:185 (Y. Ali) Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

44:3 (Y. Ali) We sent it down during a Blessed Night: for We (ever) wish to warn (against Evil).

Allah revealed the Quran to Muhammad
3:3 (Y. Ali) It is He Who sent down to thee (step by step), in truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).

6:19 (Y. Ali) Say: "What thing is most weighty in evidence?" Say: "(Allah) is witness between me and you; This Qur'an hath been revealed to me by inspiration, that I may warn you and all whom it reaches. Can ye possibly bear witness that besides Allah there is another Allah." Say: "Nay! I cannot bear witness!" Say: "But in truth He is the one Allah, and I truly am innocent of (your blasphemy of) joining others with Him."

6:155 (Y. Ali) And this is a Book which We have revealed as a blessing: so follow it and be righteous, that ye may receive mercy:
17:82 (Y. Ali) We send down (stage by stage) in the Qur'an that which is a healing and a mercy to those who believe: to the unjust it causes nothing but loss after loss.
26:192 (Y. Ali) Verily this is a Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds:

36:5 (Y. Ali) It is a Revelation sent down by (Him), the Exalted in Might, Most Merciful.
39:1 (Y. Ali) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, the Exalted in Power, full of Wisdom.

40:2 (Y. Ali) The revelation of this Book is from Allah, Exalted in Power, Full of Knowledge,-

41:3 (Y. Ali) A Book, whereof the verses are explained in detail;- a Qur'an in Arabic, for people who understand;-

Muhammad being taught the Quran
87:6 (Y. Ali) By degrees shall We teach thee to declare (the Message), so thou shalt not forget,

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Further, "The Truth" refers to only Jesus Christ per 4.171...thus making your book of faith Jesus' Book.

The Quran will also not say That I muhammad wrote the Quran because he did not write it he couldn't read or write.

Nor does it state that anyone named "Muhammad" had anything at all to do with the Koran.

Be honest.

It is amazing how you are asking me for evidences that you yourself cannot produce for your own scripture. You ask me to show you were it says Allah sent it to Muhammad. I have done so. Now can you show me where the bible says God sent down the bible?
Can you show me who wrote the bible? All of the books of the bible the answer is no!

Sure thing...

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)


And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)


And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)


The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

John was directly inspired to write down the Words of God.

You will find nothing at all like this in the Koran.

According to the Koran itself, its material is neither divinely inspired, nor influenced by someone named "Muhammad" in any way, shape, or form.

The classic definition, complete with a full concordance, was provided in post #193...

Post the definition I am not buying a book to know that your wrong.

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

What! I think that's backwards. you wont find any I Muhammad statements because its not from Muhammad. Duhh!

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Prove it where is your source?

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)

Me who? He says to who? Who is telling who to write?

And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)

John Who? Who wrote the books of the OT?

And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)

John Who? This was a dream right?

The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

You keep making all these statements but you have and show no proof.
You manuscripts don't even go back to the lifetime of Jesus how can you say that he heard it and wrote it down. They began to write the earliest is probably 100 years after Jesus. Where is your proof?