Muslims worship Muhammad…

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):

While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.

I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:

Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).

[Apple Pie]

Post the definition I am not buying a book to know that your wrong.

Here it is once again...

ذلك الكتب لا ريب �يه هدى للمتقين

Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena

2.2 That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying.


الكتب = “alkitabu�

“alkitabu� definition:

“That is the book, or scripture�; as though combining in itself the excellences of all other books or scriptures; or meaning that is preeminently the book, or scripture. The Pentateuch or Mosaic Law; and the Gospel, or Book of the Gospels; the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. Divine prescript, appointment, or ordinance; judgment, or sentence; fatal decree or predestination.


References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 74; volume seven, p. 2590

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

What! I think that's backwards. you wont find any I Muhammad statements because its not from Muhammad. Duhh!

Fact is...nobody claims ownership of the Koran.

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Prove it where is your source?

The Koran is the source...and it is completely silent regarding this crucial point.

Why is that...?

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)

Me who? He says to who? Who is telling who to write?

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)

John Who? Who wrote the books of the OT?

The Book of Revelation is in the NT.

And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)

John Who? This was a dream right?

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

The authors of the Koran understood this...

The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

You keep making all these statements but you have and show no proof.

Here are just a few suras that are composed from Book of Revelation material...


Sura 53

Sura 81

Sura 86

Sura 100

Sura 103

Sura 106

Sura 108

You manuscripts don't even go back to the lifetime of Jesus how can you say that he heard it and wrote it down. They began to write the earliest is probably 100 years after Jesus. Where is your proof?

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

[muhammad rasullah]

Post the definition I am not buying a book to know that your wrong.

Here it is once again...

ذلك الكتب لا ريب �يه هدى للمتقين

Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena

2.2 That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying.


الكتب = “alkitabu�

“alkitabu� definition:

“That is the book, or scripture�; as though combining in itself the excellences of all other books or scriptures; or meaning that is preeminently the book, or scripture. The Pentateuch or Mosaic Law; and the Gospel, or Book of the Gospels; the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. Divine prescript, appointment, or ordinance; judgment, or sentence; fatal decree or predestination.


References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 74; volume seven, p. 2590

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

What! I think that's backwards. you wont find any I Muhammad statements because its not from Muhammad. Duhh!

Fact is...nobody claims ownership of the Koran.

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Prove it where is your source?

The Koran is the source...and it is completely silent regarding this crucial point.

Why is that...?

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)

Me who? He says to who? Who is telling who to write?

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)

John Who? Who wrote the books of the OT?

The Book of Revelation is in the NT.

And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)

John Who? This was a dream right?

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

The authors of the Koran understood this...

The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

You keep making all these statements but you have and show no proof.

Here are just a few suras that are composed from Book of Revelation material...


Sura 53

Sura 81

Sura 86

Sura 100

Sura 103

Sura 106

Sura 108

You manuscripts don't even go back to the lifetime of Jesus how can you say that he heard it and wrote it down. They began to write the earliest is probably 100 years after Jesus. Where is your proof?

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

Maybe its me but your posts are not showing any proof just a bunch of statements...false statements as well.

I said that your manuscripts don't go back to the lifetime of Jesus so you can't say that the disciples heard it and wrote it down. your reply is

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

[/quote]

The bible being canonized before the Quran was penned has nothing to do with anything yet another way of dodging the point! I said your manuscripts don't date back to the time of Jesus the earliest is maybe 80-100 years after is when they could say they even started writing. So they heard it and wrote it down 80 years laters huh! The Quran unlike the bible was also preserved by memorization but you don't have anyone you can likely refer to that has memorized the entire bible do you?

I guess I'll stop asking you to show proof about your claim that the Quran is copied from the bible cause you continue not to do so.

John who I asked...

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

John the author of the book of revelation...okay Who is John this doesn't tell me anything about who he is. How do you know that he is the one who wrote it? Anybody could be John you know nothing about who this John without a last name is? WHo is his father? Something!
Historians have said that Matthew, Mark Luke and John were only pen names meaning that no one knew who was the author of those manuscripts and those names were penned by someone else because originally there was no signature. Mark was not a disciple of Jesus, Luke was not a disciple of Jesus but he was a companion of Paul on his missionary Joruneys and was present during his imprisonment. He there fore had more knowledge of the teachings of Paul than of Jesus himself. The Gospel of Luke and the Book of Acts are assumed to have been written by the same person, since they are addressed to the same individual, a Roman named Theophilus. The author was a doctor, Paul notes in Colossians 4:14. If Mark represents the teachings of Peter about Jesus, Luke most likely represents the teachings of Paul. Luke claims to have researched his material, but his dating, especially in the early chapters regarding Jesus' birth, is inconsistent with other sources.
The identity of John has remained a mystery, although tradition has it that he is "the disciple that Jesus loved" mentioned in John 13:23. But here is a curious thing. In the entire gospel, John never mentions his own name.

The letters to the Romans, the Corinthians, the Galatians, the Ephesians, the Philippians, the Colossians, the Thessalonians, Timothy, Titus and Philemon are widely assumed to have come from the hand of the apostle Paul and are called the Pauline epistles for that reason.

E. P. Sanders says it's fairly clear Paul was unaware of the four Gospels, and the authors of the Gospels didn't know of Paul's letters.
The letter of James isn't anonymous, but it's not known who exactly James was. Five people named James are mentioned in the New Testament.
The Revelation is often called the Revelation of Saint John, yet while the gospel author avoids mentioning his own name in order to focus attention on Jesus, the author of Revelation mentions his own name repeatedly.

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/rea ... ble-part-4

Now referring back to the Quran 2:2 you have the translation as

That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying[/i]. [/color]

When the translation from the Quran reads 2:2 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

As I told you before the arabic word Thalika means "this is" That is simple basic arabic. What is the "this" which the Quran is referring to? it is itself this is the Book. Why do you insist on changing the words meaning to suite your own purpose I have not done that when I quote from your bible.

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

This is your assumption I don't see in the writing Jesus mentioning him by name. If thats the case why isn't it mentioned to the other Gospel writers?

[Apple Pie]

Post the definition I am not buying a book to know that your wrong.

Here it is once again...

ذلك الكتب لا ريب �يه هدى للمتقين

Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena

2.2 That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying.


الكتب = “alkitabu�

“alkitabu� definition:

“That is the book, or scripture�; as though combining in itself the excellences of all other books or scriptures; or meaning that is preeminently the book, or scripture. The Pentateuch or Mosaic Law; and the Gospel, or Book of the Gospels; the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. Divine prescript, appointment, or ordinance; judgment, or sentence; fatal decree or predestination.


References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 74; volume seven, p. 2590

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

What! I think that's backwards. you wont find any I Muhammad statements because its not from Muhammad. Duhh!

Fact is...nobody claims ownership of the Koran.

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Prove it where is your source?

The Koran is the source...and it is completely silent regarding this crucial point.

Why is that...?

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)

Me who? He says to who? Who is telling who to write?

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)

John Who? Who wrote the books of the OT?

The Book of Revelation is in the NT.

And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)

John Who? This was a dream right?

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

The authors of the Koran understood this...

The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

You keep making all these statements but you have and show no proof.

Here are just a few suras that are composed from Book of Revelation material...


Sura 53

Sura 81

Sura 86

Sura 100

Sura 103

Sura 106

Sura 108

You manuscripts don't even go back to the lifetime of Jesus how can you say that he heard it and wrote it down. They began to write the earliest is probably 100 years after Jesus. Where is your proof?

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

Maybe its me but your posts are not showing any proof just a bunch of statements...false statements as well.

I said that your manuscripts don't go back to the lifetime of Jesus so you can't say that the disciples heard it and wrote it down. your reply is

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

The bible being canonized before the Quran was penned has nothing to do with anything yet another way of dodging the point! I said your manuscripts don't date back to the time of Jesus the earliest is maybe 80-100 years after is when they could say they even started writing. So they heard it and wrote it down 80 years laters huh! The Quran unlike the bible was also preserved by memorization but you don't have anyone you can likely refer to that has memorized the entire bible do you?

The oldest extant remains of the Koran are mere fragments of suras dated to over a century after the supposed life and times of Islam's "prophet".

Thus, what do you really have...?

I guess I'll stop asking you to show proof about your claim that the Quran is copied from the bible cause you continue not to do so.

Let's make it easy for you.

Pick any portion of your book of faith that you feel is completely free from any Jewish or Christian influence...

John who I asked...

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

John the author of the book of revelation...okay Who is John this doesn't tell me anything about who he is. How do you know that he is the one who wrote it?

John signs the scripture repeatedly with his name.

No one signs the Koran...not even your "prophet".

Now referring back to the Quran 2:2 you have the translation as

That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying[/i]. [/color]

When the translation from the Quran reads 2:2 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

As I told you before the arabic word Thalika means "this is" That is simple basic arabic. What is the "this" which the Quran is referring to? it is itself this is the Book. Why do you insist on changing the words meaning to suite your own purpose I have not done that when I quote from your bible.

"Thalika is a flexible term and can easily mean "that"...now, apply that to your recently googled definition for "alkitab"...

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

This is your assumption I don't see in the writing Jesus mentioning him by name. If thats the case why isn't it mentioned to the other Gospel writers?

Read the Book of Revelation for yourself.

John repeatedly states, in the first-person, that he is the one witnessing these events.

The authors of the Koran believed in him...why don't you...?

[muhammad rasullah]

Post the definition I am not buying a book to know that your wrong.

Here it is once again...

ذلك الكتب لا ريب �يه هدى للمتقين

Thalika alkitabu la rayba feehi hudan lilmuttaqeena

2.2 That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying.


الكتب = “alkitabu�

“alkitabu� definition:

“That is the book, or scripture�; as though combining in itself the excellences of all other books or scriptures; or meaning that is preeminently the book, or scripture. The Pentateuch or Mosaic Law; and the Gospel, or Book of the Gospels; the Scriptures of the Jews and Christians. Divine prescript, appointment, or ordinance; judgment, or sentence; fatal decree or predestination.


References:
An Arabic-English Lexicon, E.W. Lane, volume one, p. 74; volume seven, p. 2590

For starters the Quran is the Word of Allah so you will not find statements like I muhammad said this or that.

You will not find any statements because it is not the word of "allah"...

What! I think that's backwards. you wont find any I Muhammad statements because its not from Muhammad. Duhh!

Fact is...nobody claims ownership of the Koran.

None of these ayahs state the Koran to be divinely inspired nor someone named "Muhammad" had anything to do with the text.

In fact, the term "Koran", simply means "collection"....of prior written Biblical material.

Prove it where is your source?

The Koran is the source...and it is completely silent regarding this crucial point.

Why is that...?

And he says to me, Write: Blessed are the ones having been called to the supper of the marriage of the Lamb. And he says to me, These Words of God are true. (Rev 19.9)

Me who? He says to who? Who is telling who to write?

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

And I, John, saw the holy city, New Jerusalem, coming down out of Heaven from God, having been prepared as a bride, having been adorned for her Husband. And I heard a great voice out of Heaven, saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God with men! And He will tabernacle with them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. And death shall be no longer, nor mourning, nor outcry, nor will there be pain any more; for the first things passed away. And the One sitting on the throne said, Behold! I make all things new. And He says to me, Write, because these Words are faithful and true. (Rev 21.2 – 5)

John Who? Who wrote the books of the OT?

The Book of Revelation is in the NT.

And I, John, was the one seeing and hearing these things. And when I heard and saw, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel showing me these things. (Rev 22.8)

John Who? This was a dream right?

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

The authors of the Koran understood this...

The bulk of the Koranic material is taken directly from the Book of Revelation – of which, this Biblical material is clearly signed by John, as both seeing and hearing Jesus’ divine Revelation and writing it down.

You keep making all these statements but you have and show no proof.

Here are just a few suras that are composed from Book of Revelation material...


Sura 53

Sura 81

Sura 86

Sura 100

Sura 103

Sura 106

Sura 108

You manuscripts don't even go back to the lifetime of Jesus how can you say that he heard it and wrote it down. They began to write the earliest is probably 100 years after Jesus. Where is your proof?

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

Maybe its me but your posts are not showing any proof just a bunch of statements...false statements as well.

I said that your manuscripts don't go back to the lifetime of Jesus so you can't say that the disciples heard it and wrote it down. your reply is

The Holy Bible was fully canonized hundreds of years before the Koran was even penned.

The bible being canonized before the Quran was penned has nothing to do with anything yet another way of dodging the point! I said your manuscripts don't date back to the time of Jesus the earliest is maybe 80-100 years after is when they could say they even started writing. So they heard it and wrote it down 80 years laters huh! The Quran unlike the bible was also preserved by memorization but you don't have anyone you can likely refer to that has memorized the entire bible do you?

The oldest extant remains of the Koran are mere fragments of suras dated to over a century after the supposed life and times of Islam's "prophet".

Thus, what do you really have...?

I guess I'll stop asking you to show proof about your claim that the Quran is copied from the bible cause you continue not to do so.

Let's make it easy for you.

Pick any portion of your book of faith that you feel is completely free from any Jewish or Christian influence...

John who I asked...

John, the author of the Book of Revelation, concerning the divinity of Jesus Christ.

John the author of the book of revelation...okay Who is John this doesn't tell me anything about who he is. How do you know that he is the one who wrote it?

John signs the scripture repeatedly with his name.

No one signs the Koran...not even your "prophet".

Now referring back to the Quran 2:2 you have the translation as

That The Book no doubt/suspicion in it, (it is) guidance to the fearing and obeying[/i]. [/color]

When the translation from the Quran reads 2:2 This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah.

As I told you before the arabic word Thalika means "this is" That is simple basic arabic. What is the "this" which the Quran is referring to? it is itself this is the Book. Why do you insist on changing the words meaning to suite your own purpose I have not done that when I quote from your bible.

"Thalika is a flexible term and can easily mean "that"...now, apply that to your recently googled definition for "alkitab"...

Jesus Christ (God) is telling this to John.

This is your assumption I don't see in the writing Jesus mentioning him by name. If thats the case why isn't it mentioned to the other Gospel writers?

Read the Book of Revelation for yourself.

John repeatedly states, in the first-person, that he is the one witnessing these events.

The authors of the Koran believed in him...why don't you...?

Let's make it easy for you.

Pick any portion of your book of faith that you feel is completely free from any Jewish or Christian influence...

Okay I am not the one who said that the Quran was copied from the bible you did. So therefore you show me what portion is copied. Besides with the numerous times you have twisted the words and meanings of the Quran I don't think you will honestly Quote the Quran as it actually is without deleting or adding some words. The same thing you did to 4:171 and 4:151. You won't be honest in your attempt to quote the quran correctly so how can I expect you to honestly show something was copied.

John signs the scripture repeatedly with his name.

No one signs the Koran...not even your "prophet".

The difference bewteen the Quran and the bible is the way in which they were compiled. You see your bible was written down by man and revised over and over again the King James alone has gone through at least five MAJOR revisions.
The bible was not compiled and put together by the ones who supposedly wrote it they were dead and gone by the time of 325 ad. at the council of Nicea.

The Quran on the other hand was compiled by the actual companions of the prophet (pbuh) eighteen years after the prophet died. The Quran was also memorized during the lifetime of the prophet by several of his companions and many many others another way in which it was preserved. The prophet used to have someone sit and recite the quran to him before he passed. So 18 years after the prophet died we have the quran into an actual book, aside from Uthman adding vowels fatah, kasra, dammah. You cannot say the same for your bible. The Quran did not need to be signed by the prophet because it was not written by him. He could neither read nor write but he instucted his scribes whenever he recieved a revelation to write in front of him then rehearse it back. Those writings were then compiled into the kitab which and each verse was verified by two witnesses.
The Qurans authenticity cannot be challenged by the bible. The hadith go through a more vigorous scrutiny for authenticity than even the bible does. If the bible went throguh the scrutiny the same as a hadith most of it would fail.

Read the Book of Revelation for yourself.

John repeatedly states, in the first-person, that he is the one witnessing these events.

Then why does he wait until the last book of the bible to do so? Why don't the rest of the writers do the same?

[Apple Pie]

Okay I am not the one who said that the Quran was copied from the bible you did. So therefore you show me what portion is copied. Besides with the numerous times you have twisted the words and meanings of the Quran I don't think you will honestly Quote the Quran as it actually is without deleting or adding some words. The same thing you did to 4:171 and 4:151. You won't be honest in your attempt to quote the quran correctly so how can I expect you to honestly show something was copied.

Sura 86 is completely unpacked here…

http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 716#217716

Then why does he wait until the last book of the bible to do so? Why don't the rest of the writers do the same?

The Koran, as we know it today, contains 114 chapters.

Thus, there were 114 opportunities for someone….anyone….to have signed it or claimed ownership.

Nobody did.

Zero.

Zippo.


And yet…you think someone named “Muhammad� had something to do with it.

[Apple Pie]

Come discuss the truth of the Koran...


http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

[muhammad rasullah]

Come discuss the truth of the Koran...


http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

Why do we need to go anywhere else I gave you in the previous posts numerous sources that show Allah revealed the quran to Muhammad.

[Apple Pie]

Come discuss the truth of the Koran...


http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

Why do we need to go anywhere else I gave you in the previous posts numerous sources that show Allah revealed the quran to Muhammad.

No one named "Muhammad" existed in the Koran.

[muhammad rasullah]

Come discuss the truth of the Koran...


http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

Why do we need to go anywhere else I gave you in the previous posts numerous sources that show Allah revealed the quran to Muhammad.

No one named "Muhammad" existed in the Koran.

47:2 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to MUHAMMAD - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

33:40 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

[Apple Pie]

Come discuss the truth of the Koran...


http://www.freeforum101.com/koranicbibl ... ranicbible

Why do we need to go anywhere else I gave you in the previous posts numerous sources that show Allah revealed the quran to Muhammad.

No one named "Muhammad" existed in the Koran.

47:2 But those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, and believe in the (Revelation) sent down to MUHAMMAD - for it is the Truth from their Lord,- He will remove from them their ills and improve their condition.

33:40 (Y. Ali) Muhammad is not the father of any of your men, but (he is) the Messenger of Allah, and the Seal of the Prophets: and Allah has full knowledge of all things.

"Muhammad" is a participle in the Koran.

Not a proper name.

Further, it applies to Jesus Christ.


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