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Muslims worship Muhammad…

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OK, now no muslim would state that they worship Muhammad. They may even believe that they worship Allah alone, but their actions and creedal testimonies put Muhammad in a position that other religions reserve for God. Even Yeshua‘ in the Bible, and ancient Assyrians, as well as other pagan groups, exhorted that we as people imitate God to achieve the Good Life. Yeshua‘, for example, repeatedly states that people should copy God’s sense of mercy, justice, etc. Muslims, however, do their utmost to emulate Muhammad.

A couple of quotes. The first from the excellent contemporary scholarly book called Muslims: Their religious beliefs and practices by Andrew Rippin (don’t let the title fool you — he delves deep into the various elements that have combined to form Islam from its pre–history to the present day and includes current scholarship on Islam, challenging traditionally–accepted views on Islamic ‘history’):
While Muslims may think those who deny the existence of God or who utter blasphemies about Him are misguided, such discussions will not offend in the same manner in which discussions over Muhammad will. Those who insinuate evil of Muhammad or who cast aspersions on him are considered to be insulting Islam. This, upon consideration, is not surprising.


I know this myself, from having grown up in an Islamic community. It means muslims put Muhammad at the centre of Islam, not Allah! And the reactions Rippin notes above made me recall a passage I read in an autobiographical work by Ziauddin Sardar, a well–written and witty, not to mention interesting, book called Desperately Seeking Paradise. In this extract Sardar details his reaction to reading Rushdie’s The Satanic Verses:
Rushdie had plundered everything I hold dear and despoiled the inner sanctum of my identity. Every word was directed at me and I took everything personally. This is how, I remember thinking, it must feel to be raped… The life of the Prophet Muhammad is the source of Muslim identity. Muslims do not merely emulate his character and personality and follow his sayings and actions: it is the Prophet Muhammad who provides them with the ultimate reason for being a Muslim.

I do wonder if he or others would react like this if someone spoke out against Allah as opposed to Muhammad. Presented for your consideration: the reaction of muslims worldwide to the Danish cartoons (nobody lampooned Allah, only Muhammad), and the case of the Teddy Bear Named Muhammad (I recall some sources referring to this as ‘blasphemy’ — surely only a crime against God ranks as blasphemy?).
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Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?
Fine how about you prove this claim then although how you can spread christianity by force without convering anyone is beyond me. Anyways go ahead and provide proof of your claim please.

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Wyvern wrote:
Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?
Fine how about you prove this claim then although how you can spread christianity by force without convering anyone is beyond me. Anyways go ahead and provide proof of your claim please.
Links are provided for that, spreading not only means converting people by force, you start killing people of another faith, and wat is left behin is only you, is'nt it something by force?

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TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?
Fine how about you prove this claim then although how you can spread christianity by force without convering anyone is beyond me. Anyways go ahead and provide proof of your claim please.
Links are provided for that, spreading not only means converting people by force, you start killing people of another faith, and wat is left behin is only you, is'nt it something by force?
You did not provide links that support your claim of conversion. Yet again you show your lack of understanding of english and yet you claim to understand everything we write. If you kill everyone in an area that is not called converting by force or any other method, we would call it genocide. Also you might have noticed there are very few christians in that area so even if they would kill everyone in a given area it would just be more muslims not christians that would move in. If you would look at the stats muslim terrorists have killed similar numbers of muslims so if muslims kill all the muslims in an area by your logic does that mean that islamic terrorists are forcefully converting an area to christianity?

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Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?
Fine how about you prove this claim then although how you can spread christianity by force without convering anyone is beyond me. Anyways go ahead and provide proof of your claim please.
Links are provided for that, spreading not only means converting people by force, you start killing people of another faith, and wat is left behin is only you, is'nt it something by force?
You did not provide links that support your claim of conversion. Yet again you show your lack of understanding of english and yet you claim to understand everything we write. If you kill everyone in an area that is not called converting by force or any other method, we would call it genocide. Also you might have noticed there are very few christians in that area so even if they would kill everyone in a given area it would just be more muslims not christians that would move in. If you would look at the stats muslim terrorists have killed similar numbers of muslims so if muslims kill all the muslims in an area by your logic does that mean that islamic terrorists are forcefully converting an area to christianity?
Once again, your understanding power is very weak, and you didnt got what I said, I never use they are converting peoples, its you who change my words.
I said their agenda is to kill muslims, and make christianity dominant in the world.
Now you said muslim terrorists, this yo have to provide claim, as its a attack on Muslims, and show the country in this century or 20th cenruty where muslims convert people by force.
For christianity, I give you example of Philipines, where christian terrorists as always killed people, and forced remaining to be changed to christianity.

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TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?
Fine how about you prove this claim then although how you can spread christianity by force without convering anyone is beyond me. Anyways go ahead and provide proof of your claim please.
Links are provided for that, spreading not only means converting people by force, you start killing people of another faith, and wat is left behin is only you, is'nt it something by force?
You did not provide links that support your claim of conversion. Yet again you show your lack of understanding of english and yet you claim to understand everything we write. If you kill everyone in an area that is not called converting by force or any other method, we would call it genocide. Also you might have noticed there are very few christians in that area so even if they would kill everyone in a given area it would just be more muslims not christians that would move in. If you would look at the stats muslim terrorists have killed similar numbers of muslims so if muslims kill all the muslims in an area by your logic does that mean that islamic terrorists are forcefully converting an area to christianity?
Once again, your understanding power is very weak, and you didnt got what I said, I never use they are converting peoples, its you who change my words.
I said their agenda is to kill muslims, and make christianity dominant in the world.
Now you said muslim terrorists, this yo have to provide claim, as its a attack on Muslims, and show the country in this century or 20th cenruty where muslims convert people by force.
For christianity, I give you example of Philipines, where christian terrorists as always killed people, and forced remaining to be changed to christianity.
Please note the bolded section above where you state they are converting by force and then compare with now in that you say they are not converting by force, it is not my job to be your english tutor and it is tiresome to do so over such a long period until you understand what you are writing this conversation is impossible.
Just for fun lets see your proof for your claims that blackwaters agenda is to kill muslims. Since you have changed what you say yet again now it is inflamatory and requires proof or retraction.

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Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
TrueReligion wrote:
Wyvern wrote:
Did I said they are converting by force? I said there agenda is to spread christianity by force. can;t you see the difference?
Fine how about you prove this claim then although how you can spread christianity by force without convering anyone is beyond me. Anyways go ahead and provide proof of your claim please.
Links are provided for that, spreading not only means converting people by force, you start killing people of another faith, and wat is left behin is only you, is'nt it something by force?
You did not provide links that support your claim of conversion. Yet again you show your lack of understanding of english and yet you claim to understand everything we write. If you kill everyone in an area that is not called converting by force or any other method, we would call it genocide. Also you might have noticed there are very few christians in that area so even if they would kill everyone in a given area it would just be more muslims not christians that would move in. If you would look at the stats muslim terrorists have killed similar numbers of muslims so if muslims kill all the muslims in an area by your logic does that mean that islamic terrorists are forcefully converting an area to christianity?
Once again, your understanding power is very weak, and you didnt got what I said, I never use they are converting peoples, its you who change my words.
I said their agenda is to kill muslims, and make christianity dominant in the world.
Now you said muslim terrorists, this yo have to provide claim, as its a attack on Muslims, and show the country in this century or 20th cenruty where muslims convert people by force.
For christianity, I give you example of Philipines, where christian terrorists as always killed people, and forced remaining to be changed to christianity.
Please note the bolded section above where you state they are converting by force and then compare with now in that you say they are not converting by force, it is not my job to be your english tutor and it is tiresome to do so over such a long period until you understand what you are writing this conversation is impossible.
Just for fun lets see your proof for your claims that blackwaters agenda is to kill muslims. Since you have changed what you say yet again now it is inflamatory and requires proof or retraction.
Seems your english have some problem, I clearly said that spreading means not converting by force, I never said that blackwater is converting people to christianity by force. its your own words which you are forcefully puttng on me.
2nd, I gave link already, you can read it, the agenda of blackwater and their aim is clearly highlighted there,
Now give me reply to my question, that which country Islam was spreaded by force? I gave you for christian terrorists how they make philipine a christian country by force.

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Seems your english have some problem, I clearly said that spreading means not converting by force, I never said that blackwater is converting people to christianity by force. its your own words which you are forcefully puttng on me.
2nd, I gave link already, you can read it, the agenda of blackwater and their aim is clearly highlighted there,
The first part, until you have a better understanding of english and in how to write it your statements about conversion are a hopeless wordsalad of contradicting statements. On the second half I don't remember seeing anything like an agenda in fact it had little more than large worded headlines which does not make up an agenda.
Now give me reply to my question, that which country Islam was spreaded by force? I gave you for christian terrorists how they make philipine a christian country by force.
That's easy Sudan now please if you could stay on topic instead of constantly trying to show how islam isn't the only one doing bad things.

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Wyvern wrote:
Seems your english have some problem, I clearly said that spreading means not converting by force, I never said that blackwater is converting people to christianity by force. its your own words which you are forcefully puttng on me.
2nd, I gave link already, you can read it, the agenda of blackwater and their aim is clearly highlighted there,
The first part, until you have a better understanding of english and in how to write it your statements about conversion are a hopeless wordsalad of contradicting statements. On the second half I don't remember seeing anything like an agenda in fact it had little more than large worded headlines which does not make up an agenda.

Thats what you are talking about 1st link, what about the 2nd link? want me to put it here?

Read also :- Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims', by 2 -ex-black-water employees
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 740735.ece


Now give me reply to my question, that which country Islam was spreaded by force? I gave you for christian terrorists how they make philipine a christian country by force.
That's easy Sudan now please if you could stay on topic instead of constantly trying to show how islam isn't the only one doing bad things.
Whats the proof dear?:) many african countries are forced into christianity, want the names?

http://lexicorient.com/e.o/sudan.history.htm

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Thats what you are talking about 1st link, what about the 2nd link? want me to put it here?

Read also :- Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims', by 2 -ex-black-water employees
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 740735.ece

Yep that's the website you used however I do not see anything that states anything about an agenda.
Now give me reply to my question, that which country Islam was spreaded by force? I gave you for christian terrorists how they make philipine a christian country by force.
That's easy Sudan now please if you could stay on topic instead of constantly trying to show how islam isn't the only one doing bad things.
Whats the proof dear?:) many african countries are forced into christianity, want the names?[/quote]How is this on topic?

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Wyvern wrote:
Thats what you are talking about 1st link, what about the 2nd link? want me to put it here?

Read also :- Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims', by 2 -ex-black-water employees
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 740735.ece

Yep that's the website you used however I do not see anything that states anything about an agenda.

Open your eyes, its writen on the heading my dear, for your ease, I made it in bold letter,

Read also :- Blackwater accused of murder in 'crusade to eliminate Muslims', by 2 -ex-black-water employees
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/w ... 740735.ece

Now give me reply to my question, that which country Islam was spreaded by force? I gave you for christian terrorists how they make philipine a christian country by force.
That's easy Sudan now please if you could stay on topic instead of constantly trying to show how islam isn't the only one doing bad things.
Whats the proof dear?:) many african countries are forced into christianity, want the names?
How is this on topic?[/quote]

Its your reply to what you said about Sudan, that it was forced into christianity before muslims invaded Sudan and give them right religion:)

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