proofs ( pictures)

[CONVERTED TO ISLAM]

ladies and gentlemen
i told you every thing about quraan and i told you every thing about mohammed but you still disbelievers

so i thought to give you some pictures and see

i think any body have mind will convert and hug islam

so watch these pictures..

this is allah by arabic (this is a tree created by allah)



look at the clouds it is allah by arabic



look at your hand it is allah by arabic



this picture taken in germany it is no god but allah by arabic



this picture from lebanon when you travel to there you can see that rock it is looks like the muslim when he pray
looks like muslims when they put their faces on ground for allah



look at this picture and think about islam please (thanks allah because iam muslim)

[Rathpig]

The Submitted Ones.

Are you serious NO NO you gotta be kidding me

every thing you wrote in this comment is INCORRECT

Yet rather than disputing anything I've written, you've decided to invoke the tu quoque fallacy? I am at a lose as how that is a rebuttal especially since you seem to have missed the mark rather soundly.

Your warriors killing muslims in all over the world

Rest assured that I have no "warriors". Though it may surprise you, I oppose any warriors killing anyone. I may be in even stronger opposition than yourself because I do not delineate by group affiliation.

you are the ppl who rape girls , women and daughters

This is a rather strong accusation which I will not take personally since you obviously were targeting some unmentioned group known as "the ppl". I am a strong supporter of women's, in fact human, rights and think that Muslim women deserve to have the same rights as any other human. I do not support a religion which declares a women guilty of a capital crime when she can't provide four witnesses to a rape.

you are the gays and lesbians

Personally such is not my preference, but I fail to see how this is even relevant to the conversation. Isn't calling someone "gay" a rather childish retort?

(Why are Muslims so preoccupied with the sex life of others?

you are the people who never respected any body

Respect must be earned. it can't be demanded. Islam, in reality most religions, deserve no respect. You are the one calling people "gay" and "rapist" and well...

you are the real TERRORISTS

(christians and jewish are the real terrorists)

Though the word is quite overused, I would simply clarify that Abrahamism is a terroristic superstition. The silly concept of Yahweh, God, or Allah is merely an excuse for external and internal terrorism. Remove the god-myth and the problem of terrorism is largely solved.



Humanism is the answer. Allah is a sham.

[Rathpig]

quote duplication mea culpa

[OnceConvinced]

Then who created a tree looks like a muslim praying ? an ape ??!

It grew that way. Trees have a habit of doing that. And if you've been to Australia, you'll see heaps of unusually shaped trees there.

think about it by using your brain ( do not use another thing )

why that tree looks like a muslim when he pray ( doing ruku) ?

You're a fine one to talk about using your brain. Anyone with half a brain would realise it's just a tree that's taken on a shape similar to someone praying. However one still has to use a fair bit of imagination to see this tree as a person praying. The photograph you posted looks a lot more convincing and that's only because it was taken from a particular angle in particular light. The video there only gives a vague representation.

The fact that it may vaguely look like a Muslim praying is purely coincedence. Funny these guys had to travel half way around the world to some out of the way place to find one tree like this, when there are billions and billions of trees on this planet.

Who says that looks like a muslim praying? It looks like an ape to me.

Yes, you are absolutely right. It definitely looks more like an ape than someone praying. Guess it must be proof of evolution then.

[OnceConvinced]

Well .. every thing is miracle I mean your body (eyes,ears,hands..etc)
skies,earths ... etc

Just because you don't understand, or as in your case, have not had an adequate education, does not make it a miracle.

If something happens every day in a natural way it can't be considered a miracle by definition.

and also Allah created things like that tree to show people that he can do any thing he want

Well then that was a very feeble effort on his part.

ARROGANT PEOPLE

do not be arrogant it is so clear

Why don't you practise what you preach? It is you that is seen as arrogant by everyone who has posted in opposition to you on this thread.

[Rathpig]

Who says that looks like a muslim praying? It looks like an ape to me.

I don't know when and how the quote tags became jumbled, but I can't take credit for that quote. Not that I necessarily disagree, but just for accuracy's sake.



I can't believe even a primitive culture in 2008 is going on such about a tree, but then again these same people seem to make much ado about a magical book and a mythical prophet. Social evolution can be a very slow process when it is so heavily retarded by superstition.

[OnceConvinced]

Who says that looks like a muslim praying? It looks like an ape to me.

I don't know when and how the quote tags became jumbled, but I can't take credit for that quote. Not that I necessarily disagree, but just for accuracy's sake.

Ah, I typed your name in manually. I screwed up.

You know, I'm really having a good look at that photograph and am trying to figure out where his butt begins and where it ends. Seriously! He doesn't seem to have one. His thighs sort of go right to his back in an arc.

Why are his lower legs the same thickness as his upper legs? Looks like they are stuck in a bucket of cement. And his shoulders are near his stomach area. His elbows are way too far down to be a normal arm. Maybe an orangutans, but definitley not a human being's. It makes me laugh that the article says he has his hands on his knees, but the guy has no knees!

If his shoulders are in the right place, then his neck is wayyyy to long and looks as though its it's wrapped up in some kind of thick cloth.

I won't even comment about the huge growth sticking out of his shoulder blades and neck as someone's already pointed that out.

I would have thought that Allah would have made it look a little more realistic.

Converted to Islam, how do you explain that? Is this some kind of mutant muslim?

[daedalus 2.0]

Well .. every thing is miracle I mean your body (eyes,ears,hands..etc)
skies,earths ... etc

Just because you don't understand, or as in your case, have not had an adequate education, does not make it a miracle.

If something happens every day in a natural way it can't be considered a miracle by definition.

and also Allah created things like that tree to show people that he can do any thing he want

Well then that was a very feeble effort on his part.

ARROGANT PEOPLE

do not be arrogant it is so clear

Why don't you practise what you preach? It is you that is seen as arrogant by everyone who has posted in opposition to you on this thread.

Yep, all this from a guy who is sure there is a God - a supernatural being that he alone (and other people he agrees with) can detect the signs. I know this applies to all theists in general, but hey, if the shoe fits...

[Rathpig]

The real hilarious aspect of this conversation is that almost all of these "Islamic" practices being discussed in reference to this stupid tree are actually adaptations from earlier pagan forms of worship. The Ka'ba itself, The Black Stone, most of the rituals concerning the Ka'ba, and even the divine "signs" in misshapen trees are taken directly from pre-Islamic Arabic culture.

Much like Christianity absorbed various "pagan" elements to gain adherents, Islam absorbed a great deal of pagan practices from the start. The political/religious conspiracy, attributed to the mythical "Muhammad" of course, which created Islam did so by the application of pseudo-Abrahamism onto Arabic paganism.

For reference see:

VON GRUNEBAUM, G. E. Classical Islam: a History 600-1258. London: George Allen and Unwin Ltd, 1970. (reprint: 1997 Barnes & Noble)


Of course these facts are anathema to most Muslims, but Muslims generally know very little about Islam. It is funny though to have someone bring forward this silly tree picture. It is such a primitive approach to "proof". Ironically it is so primitive that the underlying practice predates Islam and such magic trees were pointed to by Arabic pagans as "proof" of various nature gods long before Allah was even invented.

[carolineislands]

Now what was Allah thinking about THAT day?

[carolineislands]