carolineislands wrote:It has been proven over and over again that Aisha was 6 when Muhammad married her and 9 when he had intercourse with her. But here are some of the Hadith that prove it.
A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old. Muslim 8. 3310
Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 64
Narrated 'Aisha:that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)." what you know of the Quran (by heart)' Bukhari 7. 62. 65
Narrated 'Ursa:The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death). Bukhari 7. 62. 88
Aisha herself talks about the day her mother came and took her by the hand and took her to the prophet's house (for the consummation of the "marriage") - she had no idea what was happening:
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. Bukhari 5.234
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon. Bukhari 7. 62. 90
Muslims seem to have 3 ways of defending this atrocity.
1. Excuse it on the grounds that it was the custom in that day and age.
2. Excuse in on the supposition that a child who has her first menses is an adult due to the fact that she is capable of becoming pregnant.
3. Deny it by trying to say Aisha was older even though everybody knows better
The first excuse is invalid because of the fact that Muslims still emulate Muhammad and that is the reason it is still legal in Islam for a child to be taken in marraige at 9 years old or as soon as she has her first menses. The second excuse is ludicrous due to the fact that children who have their first menses are NOT prepared for having children as evidenced by the damage it does to their bodies. Child brides are rampant in Islam and so is the horrible problems it causes when they have babies. Obstetric fistula is just one of the things that happen. Many die in childbirth and many others are rendered infertile due to the damage incurred when a 9 year old child is penetrated by and adult xxxxx, which might have been the case with Aisha - she never had any children did she? The third excuse is obvious denial of facts that are well supported by Islamic texts and Islamic law.
Now, can we continue with the discussion?
I gave clear evidence that Muslims worship Muhammad in the post that listed the definition of worship with evidence correlating to each definition. Do you have any proof that the evidence given was not true?
Its not a matter of whether or not a muslim thinks that chanting about a person over and over again several times a day, reciting his words, emulating every last minute detail of his actions, etc is worship or not. The definition states that these kinds of things ARE worship. Whether or not muslims were told not to do it doesn't matter either. The fact is, they DO.
Of course the person doing it is not going to admit to this - and that in itself is very strong evidence that they are not only worshiping, but worshiping blindly, which also defines idolatry.
Carolineislands wrote:I gave clear evidence that Muslims worship Muhammad in the post that listed the definition of worship with evidence correlating to each definition. Do you have any proof that the evidence given was not true?
Well unfortunately the definition you gave of worship is very limited and as I stated before if you examine the shahadah by the muslims this is a clear distinction that the muslim does not worship Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). I have given a better definition of worship here below.
Worship-4. The act of paying divine honors to the Supreme Being; religious reverence and homage; adoration, or acts of reverence, paid to God,
or a being viewed as God. As we can knowone in Islam views Muhammad as a God. The shahadah reads as I bear witness that there is no God but Allah. Stop so what is a God?
God- O.E. god "
supreme being, deity," from P.Gmc. *guthan (cf. Du. god, Ger. Gott, O.N. guð, Goth. guþ), from PIE *ghut-
"that which is invoked" (cf. Skt. huta- "invoked," an epithet of Indra), from root *gheu(e)-
"to call, invoke."
Now were getting somewhere invoke what does it mean to invoke?
Invoke-to call on (a deity, Muse, etc.), as in prayer or supplication.
to petition or call on for help or aid.
So from the first part of the shahadah we see that Muslims are proclaimed to say I bear witness that there is no God but Allah meaning there is knowone who deserves to be invoked or called upon for aid i.e. worshipped but Allah and I bear witness that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. Wow what is a messenger? A bearer of news. 1. Any notice, word, or communication, written or verbal, sent from one person to another. And as Jesus said he who is sent is not greater than the one who sent him. So please gain understanding of Islam before you make arronious claims.
Do muslims show reverence to the prophet (pbuh) yes!
Reverence- a feeling or attitude of deep respect tinged with awe; veneration.
Do muslims pay homage to the Prophet (pbuh) yes!
Homage-Special honor or respect shown or expressed publicly.
But this is all in accordance with all the messengers and the people who folled them did as well. The people follwed the teachings of Moses but they did not worship him by doing so because they were commanded by God to do so. You see it is God who commands us to obey the messengers and by obeying them we are obeying and submitting to Allah's will.
Bismillahir rahmaanir Raheem \"In The Name of Allah, the most gracious, the most merciful\"
