Contradictions in Holy Books

[Pazuzu bin Hanbi]

Take a work of fiction, say the Middle Earth of JRR Tolkien, or Frank Herbert’s Dune, or Scott Westerfeld’s The Risen Empire. I haven’t hunted through them for contradictions, but it remains entirely possible that the author made these fictional worlds internally coherent, and containing no contradictions.

How does this prove the validity of the claims made in the writings themselves though? If a Bible or Qur’ân can be shown as completely coherent and containing no contradictions, how does this prove that god exists and that the scriptures’ particular version of god actually exists?

[Wyvern]

Wyvern, all of topic beside, but we are discussing contradictions, its shown already that there is no contradiction in what a man is made up of, as they all tend to same thing and ingrediants of 1 thing while making, preparing.

Have you not read the last few posts? There have been shown to be contradictions and also it has been shown you need some basic science education. Bones are not made of sand, man is not made of nothing or dust or clay and all are contradictory to each other and reality. Are you simply disregarding everything I write without bothering to read them? Do you really believe bones are made of sand? Silica is not the same as calcium your claim of them all being the same thing is wrong, if you don't believe me I dare you to breath in a bunch of powdered sand and see what happens to you.

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, all of topic beside, but we are discussing contradictions, its shown already that there is no contradiction in what a man is made up of, as they all tend to same thing and ingrediants of 1 thing while making, preparing.

Have you not read the last few posts? There have been shown to be contradictions and also it has been shown you need some basic science education. Bones are not made of sand, man is not made of nothing or dust or clay and all are contradictory to each other and reality. Are you simply disregarding everything I write without bothering to read them? Do you really believe bones are made of sand? Silica is not the same as calcium your claim of them all being the same thing is wrong, if you don't believe me I dare you to breath in a bunch of powdered sand and see what happens to you.

Wyvern, the topic is about contradiction in Holy Books, not with science. you are talking science here, not contradiction, I proved already that its not a contradiction.
For science evidence, I gave you links, which prove also that Quran is correct and you are wrong as always.
So our point #-1 is clear now that there is no contradiction. If you want to discus scientificaly, make new post, and we will discuss there, but keep this post limited to contradiction.

Now as you say that Silica is not essential for human body, you are wrong Wyvern, get some research please.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthings ... ements.htm

http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/silicon.htm

Bring now #-2 , and we wil discuss about it.
Thanks

[Wyvern]

Wyvern, the topic is about contradiction in Holy Books, not with science. you are talking science here, not contradiction, I proved already that its not a contradiction.
For science evidence, I gave you links, which prove also that Quran is correct and you are wrong as always.

The contradiction is pointed out by using science, you say the koran says man is made of dust but when confronted with the contradiction with reality you make even more ridiculous statements. How is it not a contradiction when the koran says man is made of nothing but here we are physical creatures. How is it not a contradiction when the koran says man is made of clay but man has almost no silica in his body but it is a primary component of clay. How is it not an extremely poor explanation when you try to say clay is just dust and water, when in fact when you mix the two you get mud, not clay. How is it not an extremely poorly informed person that tries to claim bones are made of sand.

So our point #-1 is clear now that there is no contradiction. If you want to discus scientificaly, make new post, and we will discuss there, but keep this post limited to contradiction.

Science explains reality and the contradictions of the koran go against reality and itself for that matter, after all how can the koran not contradict itself when it makes multiple different claims about the same thing.

Now as you say that Silica is not essential for human body, you are wrong Wyvern, get some research please.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthings ... ements.htm

http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/silicon.htm

Bring now #-2 , and we wil discuss about it.

Is it asking so much for you to at least read the links you bring forward as proof? They say quite clearly that silicon is a trace element within the body. Your second link is even worse in that it is an ad for a herbal supplement.

[TrueReligion]

Wyvern, the topic is about contradiction in Holy Books, not with science. you are talking science here, not contradiction, I proved already that its not a contradiction.
For science evidence, I gave you links, which prove also that Quran is correct and you are wrong as always.

The contradiction is pointed out by using science, you say the koran says man is made of dust but when confronted with the contradiction with reality you make even more ridiculous statements. How is it not a contradiction when the koran says man is made of nothing but here we are physical creatures. How is it not a contradiction when the koran says man is made of clay but man has almost no silica in his body but it is a primary component of clay. How is it not an extremely poor explanation when you try to say clay is just dust and water, when in fact when you mix the two you get mud, not clay. How is it not an extremely poorly informed person that tries to claim bones are made of sand.

Sorry Wyvern, again your all statements are wrong, the problem is that you are not ready to accept any fact and evidence which is going against your views.
The contradiction is not of science, the contradiction shown is that dust, water, sand, blood are different words used for human creation. nowhere its writen about science in contradiction, that you brought up by yourself, as you always do by changing the evidence in your own words and meanings, which is not acceptable.
However, its clear that the contradiction shown is false, and all the verses are totaly correct.

So our point #-1 is clear now that there is no contradiction. If you want to discus scientificaly, make new post, and we will discuss there, but keep this post limited to contradiction.

Science explains reality and the contradictions of the koran go against reality and itself for that matter, after all how can the koran not contradict itself when it makes multiple different claims about the same thing.

Already answer, we are not discussing science here, we are discussing contradictions , which means 2 statements differ with each other. so your this statement is clearly false and wrong, again its not acceptable by any means Wyvern

Now as you say that Silica is not essential for human body, you are wrong Wyvern, get some research please.

http://chemistry.about.com/cs/howthings ... ements.htm

http://www.herbs2000.com/minerals/silicon.htm

Bring now #-2 , and we wil discuss about it.

Is it asking so much for you to at least read the links you bring forward as proof? They say quite clearly that silicon is a trace element within the body. Your second link is even worse in that it is an ad for a herbal supplement.

Wyvern, please read the link, its quite clear in the link that Silicon is essentail for human body, now if you dont want to accept the truth , as its going against your views, I can;t do anything, ofcourse Ive to bring the truth, you accept or no, its upto you, my part is done

Thanks

[thatoneguy]

I only saw the beginning and ends of this thread, but there seems to be an issue between whether we mean internal or external contradictions. There are countless internal contradictions in the bible. The Koran, too, I assume has these contradictions although I have not read it.

Even if it doesn't though, a lack of contradictions is a pre requisite for proving accuracy, not a cause. If something has contradictions, it cannot be proven accurate. If something has no contradictions, then one can, using other pieces of evidence, try to prove their point.

[McCulloch]

Am I following the reasoning correctly here.
Trace amounts of silicon is essential to the correct functioning of the human body.
Sand normally contains significant amounts of silicon.
Therefore, humans are made from dust and clay.
The Quran is right. Again!

[Wyvern]

Sorry Wyvern, again your all statements are wrong, the problem is that you are not ready to accept any fact and evidence which is going against your views.
The contradiction is not of science, the contradiction shown is that dust, water, sand, blood are different words used for human creation. nowhere its writen about science in contradiction, that you brought up by yourself, as you always do by changing the evidence in your own words and meanings, which is not acceptable.
However, its clear that the contradiction shown is false, and all the verses are totaly correct.

Please tell me how there can not be a contradiction in the koran when it states that man is created from a blood clot, dust, clay and nothing? If even one is shown to be correct then it means the others are not correct which means the koran contradicts itself. Which way do you want it, the koran either contradicts reality by being patently false or it contradicts itself by making multiple claims of the same thing in which only one can be true.

Already answer, we are not discussing science here, we are discussing contradictions , which means 2 statements differ with each other. so your this statement is clearly false and wrong, again its not acceptable by any means Wyvern

The koran makes multiple statements which differ from each other so it is a clear contradiction regardless of which one you want to be true.

Is it asking so much for you to at least read the links you bring forward as proof? They say quite clearly that silicon is a trace element within the body. Your second link is even worse in that it is an ad for a herbal supplement.

Wyvern, please read the link, its quite clear in the link that Silicon is essentail for human body, now if you dont want to accept the truth , as its going against your views, I can;t do anything, ofcourse Ive to bring the truth, you accept or no, its upto you, my part is done

Maybe you did not notice your second link is an advertisement for a herbal supplement that is not even approved by any medical group and as such their claim of anything being essential is specious at best. Your first link you also seem to not have noticed that silicon is a trace element in the body. All of this is besides the point since you claimed bones are made of sand which as you have shown is impossible since silicon is only a trace element.

[TrueReligion]

I only saw the beginning and ends of this thread, but there seems to be an issue between whether we mean internal or external contradictions. There are countless internal contradictions in the bible. The Koran, too, I assume has these contradictions although I have not read it.

Even if it doesn't though, a lack of contradictions is a pre requisite for proving accuracy, not a cause. If something has contradictions, it cannot be proven accurate. If something has no contradictions, then one can, using other pieces of evidence, try to prove their point.

Quran is open for All humans, and Quran has given already the challenge , that
"(4:82) Do they not ponder about the Qur'an? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found in it much inconsistency.111

*111. The main reason for the attitude of the hypocrites and lukewarm believers was their lack of conviction that the Qur'an came from God. They did not believe that the Prophet (peace be on him) had received the messages and directives that he preached from God Himself. Hence, when they are censured for their hypocritical conduct, they are told that they do not reflect upon the Qur'an. For the Qur'an itself is a strong, persuasive testimony to its divine origin. It is inconceivable that any human being should compose discourses on different subjects under different circumstances and on different occasions, and that the collection of those discourses should then grow into a coherent, homogeneous and integrated work, no component of which is discordant with the others. It is also inconceivable that such a work would be permeated through and through with a uniform outlook and attitude, a work reflecting a remarkable consistency in the mood and spirit of its Author, and a work too mature ever to need revision.

And its not that people didnt tried to find contradictions, but they fail to prove any, as it was lack of their understanding of eloquence and Arabic language, which is used at a highest degree in Quran.

Now people try to find errors in Quran, some say that the scientific knowledge given in Quran is not accurate and is wrong etc etc, but that also is not yet proven.
Quran is a book of guidance for mankind, it deals with all the subjects of life, political, family, inheritance, morals, war, orphans, human rights, women rights, facts for earth and human etc etc.

Thats why the challenge given to arabs, that bring a chapter same like Quran, and when the opposition can;t bring, the challenge was given again, "Bring any verse similar" , means matching the full context, with equal eloquence and subject.

Many people tried of all times, but they failed, and the most miracle os Quran is, that its preserved till now, same as it was revealed, and learned by millions of muslims around the world, dot by dot, word by word. whether arab or non-arab.

Following are Famous Non-Muslim historians and scholars verdict on Muhammad and Quran.

lf a man like Muhammed were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness."

George Bernard Shaw

"People like Pasteur and Salk are leaders in the first sense. People like Gandhi and Confucius, on one hand, and Alexander, Caesar and Hitler on the other, are leaders in the second and perhaps the third sense. Jesus and Buddha belong in the third category alone. Perhaps the greatest leader of all times was Mohammed, who combined all three functions. To a lesser degree, Moses did the same."

Professor Jules Masserman

"Head of the State as well as the Church, lie was Caesar and Pope in one, but, he was Pope without the Pope's pretensions, and Caesar without the legions of Caesar, without a standing army, without a bodyguard, without a police force, without a fixed revenue. ft ever a man had the right to say that he ruled by a right divine, it was Muhummed. for he had all the powers without their supports. He cared not tor the dressings of power. The simplicity of his private life was in keeping with his public life.""

Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith

"Muhammad was the soul of kindness, and his influence was felt and never forgotten by those around him."

Diwan Chand Sharma, The Prophets of the East, Calcutta 1935, p. 122.

"Four year after the death of Justinian, A.D. 569, was born at Mecca, in Arabia the man who, of all men exercised the greatest influence upon the human race . . . Mohammed . . . "

John William Draper, M.D., L.L.D., A History of the Intellectual Development of Europe, London 1875, Vol. 1, pp 329-330.

"In little more than a year he was actually the spiritual, nominal and temporal ruler of Medina, with his hands on the lever that was to shake the world."

John Austin, "Muhammad the Prophet of Allah," in T.P's and Cassel's Weekly for 24th September 1927.

"Philosopher, Orator, Apostle, Legislator. Warrior, Conqueror of ideas, Restorer of rational beliefs, of a cult without images; the founder of twenty terrestrial empires and of one spiritual empire, that is Muhammed. As regards all standards by which human greatness may be measured, we may well ask, is there any man greater than he?"

Lamartine, Historic de la Turquie, Paris 1854, Vol. 11 pp. 276-2727.

"It is impossible for anyone who studies the life and character of the great prophet of Arabia, who knows how he taught and how he live,. to feel anything but reverence for that mighty Prophet, one of the great messengers of the Supreme. And although in what I put to you I shall say many things which may be familiar to many, yet I myself feel whenever I re-read them, a new way of admiration, a new of reverence for that mighty Arabian teacher."

Annie Besant, The Life and Teachings of Muhammad, Madras 1932, p.4

"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities."

Encyclopaedia Britannica

"I have studied him — the wonderful man — and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ he must be called the saviour of humanity."

George Bernard Shaw in "The Genuine Islam"

"By a fortune absolutely unique in history , Mohammed is a threefold founder of a nation, of an empire, and of a religion."

Rev. R. Bosworth-Smith in "Mohammed and Mohammedanism 1946."


Another.

http://www.ilaam.net/Articles/AuthenticQuran.html

[TrueReligion]

Sorry Wyvern, again your all statements are wrong, the problem is that you are not ready to accept any fact and evidence which is going against your views.
The contradiction is not of science, the contradiction shown is that dust, water, sand, blood are different words used for human creation. nowhere its writen about science in contradiction, that you brought up by yourself, as you always do by changing the evidence in your own words and meanings, which is not acceptable.
However, its clear that the contradiction shown is false, and all the verses are totaly correct.

Please tell me how there can not be a contradiction in the koran when it states that man is created from a blood clot, dust, clay and nothing? If even one is shown to be correct then it means the others are not correct which means the koran contradicts itself. Which way do you want it, the koran either contradicts reality by being patently false or it contradicts itself by making multiple claims of the same thing in which only one can be true.

Wyvern, contradiction is that 2 words differ each other in the meaning, of making of something.
Example, Cofee is made of water, and Coffee beans, and Sugar, or Milk.
So whats contradiction in this? do you call it a contradiction?
similarly what's mention in the Quran, is that human is made from all these things, so wats the contradiction in this?

Already answer, we are not discussing science here, we are discussing contradictions , which means 2 statements differ with each other. so your this statement is clearly false and wrong, again its not acceptable by any means Wyvern

The koran makes multiple statements which differ from each other so it is a clear contradiction regardless of which one you want to be true.

Its your weak understanding, the contradiction is already answered, even if you dont want to understand and accept it, its upto you Wyvern, you could;nt prove that its wrong till now.

Is it asking so much for you to at least read the links you bring forward as proof? They say quite clearly that silicon is a trace element within the body. Your second link is even worse in that it is an ad for a herbal supplement.

Wyvern, please read the link, its quite clear in the link that Silicon is essentail for human body, now if you dont want to accept the truth , as its going against your views, I can;t do anything, ofcourse Ive to bring the truth, you accept or no, its upto you, my part is done

Maybe you did not notice your second link is an advertisement for a herbal supplement that is not even approved by any medical group and as such their claim of anything being essential is specious at best. Your first link you also seem to not have noticed that silicon is a trace element in the body. All of this is besides the point since you claimed bones are made of sand which as you have shown is impossible since silicon is only a trace element.

Its understood clearly that you dont want to accept the fact Wyvern, for which I can;t force you to do.
The factis given, with authentic links, my point is clear and proven, this point-1 is over.

It does;nt mean whats the 2nd link history, main thing is, its telling whats the source of silicon. do you get silicon by magic?

We will move to point-2 now.

[van]

The so called errors and contradictions of the Holy Bible have all been explained.

What seems like contradictions actually gives the reader more information. The Holy Bible was written by over 40 GOD inspired authors. It is a miracle that any of it jives!

GOD inspired and then allowed each to write in their own way, using their own language to describe what they saw as eye witnesses. As in any event where there are more then one eyewitness some people pick up more on one part of the event then another- each story then complements the other not contradicting

Hey this is how the Holy Bible came to us-who are we to change GOD's Word? Which is funny because that is what muslims-not the quran but muslims claim. The Quran has been changed-when they added the vowel points-it was changed.

There is no stage of dust in human development.

"Muhummed is the most successful of all Prophets and religious personalities."

Mohammad is DEAD! Jesus lives!!

Mohammad did it with a sword killing others. Jesus did it by dying for us!

http://www.catholic.org/international/i ... p?id=33761
"My older brother, a passionate Christian learned that lesson too late: after preaching to Muslims, he was eventually ambushed by Muslims who cut out his tongue and murdered him."

True sign of a cult -Islam can not stand up against the truth so muslims must kill and destroy any other religious evangalists, books and artifacts.