Muslim claims of scientific accuracy in the Quran

[OnceConvinced]

In another thread:

Actually look through the Book(it's online I provide the link below lol) before you discredit it. I know the Title may throw you off, and you'll probably click the exit right then and there... but go through it.. check the table of contents and see whats most interesting...

http://www.sunnahonline.com/ilm/quran/qms.pdf

*~In reality what is in it could not have been known 1,400 years ago. So it proves God exists... and if you don't think so, well it lessens the chances that he doesn't... If you think one is vague go on to the next one, I assure you most of the verses are direct statements that meet up with what is now known.

Does this document prove that the Quran contains knowledge of the world that primitive man couldn't possibly have known? Does it prove that Allah is the one true God? Please justify your response.

[Apple Pie]

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"He (God) coils the night onto the day and coils the day onto the night" 39:5

Here is the ayah in context...


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Law arada Allahu an yattakhitha waladan laistafa mimma yakhluqu ma yashao subhanahu huwa Allahu alwahidu alqahharu khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi yukawwiru allayla AAala alnnahari wayukawwiru alnnahara AAala allayli wasakhkhara alshshamsa waalqamara kullun yajree li-ajalin musamman ala huwa alAAazeezu alghaffaru

Although allah he intended that he takes a son; he has not chosen from that which he creates, (but) what he wills, glory be to him, he, allah, the one, the supreme. He created the heavens and the earth through The Truth. He causes to revolve the night onto the day, and He causes to revolve the day onto the night, and He made subservient the sun and the moon, each pursues its course to a fixed and appointed term, is He not the all-mighty, the most protecting one? (39.4 " 5)


As you can see for yourself, the god "allah" is incapable of creating the Universe by himself.

He requires the assistance of the Son, Jesus Christ, (The Truth).

This, then, makes Jesus Christ present at the time that the Universe was created.

No one ask Jesus Christ here. we are talking about Dukhan = Smoke.

The chapter is names after the verse 10
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(44:10) So watch for the Day when the sky will come down with a pall of smoke.

Cann't understand wats relation of evil here, ? Can some1 help solve the mystery of Apple_Pie?

You should not post ayahs if you don't want to discuss them, brother.

You replied to 39.5 - which states that the god "allah" requires help in creating things.

[Apple Pie]

Its in your reply, where u showed smoke equals to evil and demon.

We presented the classic Arabic lexical definition of what the term meant at the time that your book of faith was written, brother.

You cannot change the meaning of the term to fit with some modern islamic idea.

After all, you have not presented any verifiable classic definition of your own....thus, you really have no choice but to go with ours...

Still yoou have;;nt provided the proof, where does it say that smoke is equal meaning to Evil.

This is contained in the classic Arabic definition already provided to you, brother.

Apparently you are either not reading the posts before replying, or you are simply ignoring them altogether.

You won't learn very much by doing this brother...nor will you even be able to demonstrate your point...

[TrueReligion]

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"He (God) coils the night onto the day and coils the day onto the night" 39:5

Here is the ayah in context...


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Law arada Allahu an yattakhitha waladan laistafa mimma yakhluqu ma yashao subhanahu huwa Allahu alwahidu alqahharu khalaqa alssamawati waal-arda bialhaqqi yukawwiru allayla AAala alnnahari wayukawwiru alnnahara AAala allayli wasakhkhara alshshamsa waalqamara kullun yajree li-ajalin musamman ala huwa alAAazeezu alghaffaru

Although allah he intended that he takes a son; he has not chosen from that which he creates, (but) what he wills, glory be to him, he, allah, the one, the supreme. He created the heavens and the earth through The Truth. He causes to revolve the night onto the day, and He causes to revolve the day onto the night, and He made subservient the sun and the moon, each pursues its course to a fixed and appointed term, is He not the all-mighty, the most protecting one? (39.4 " 5)


As you can see for yourself, the god "allah" is incapable of creating the Universe by himself.

He requires the assistance of the Son, Jesus Christ, (The Truth).

This, then, makes Jesus Christ present at the time that the Universe was created.

No one ask Jesus Christ here. we are talking about Dukhan = Smoke.

The chapter is names after the verse 10
"

(44:10) So watch for the Day when the sky will come down with a pall of smoke.

Cann't understand wats relation of evil here, ? Can some1 help solve the mystery of Apple_Pie?

You should not post ayahs if you don't want to discuss them, brother.

You replied to 39.5 - which states that the god "allah" requires help in creating things.

Sorry? We are discussing your point, where you refer tht Quran have given chapter names to devils, evils,
We are asking you which chapter it is?
Thn you reply that its chapter 44 = Evil right?
In that I reply that Dukhan = Smoke. and I quoted the verse also which refer to the name of the chapter.

Now where ddid Jesus came into this|? and you re quoting wrong verse out of context and our discussion.

Its getting a habbit of urs, when you are loosing debate, you will yourself change and start talking other things.

So Kindly verify your claim, that how come dukhan (smoke) seems evil to you.

Thanks

[TrueReligion]

Its in your reply, where u showed smoke equals to evil and demon.

We presented the classic Arabic lexical definition of what the term meant at the time that your book of faith was written, brother.

You cannot change the meaning of the term to fit with some modern islamic idea.

After all, you have not presented any verifiable classic definition of your own....thus, you really have no choice but to go with ours...

Still yoou have;;nt provided the proof, where does it say that smoke is equal meaning to Evil.

This is contained in the classic Arabic definition already provided to you, brother.

Apparently you are either not reading the posts before replying, or you are simply ignoring them altogether.

You won't learn very much by doing this brother...nor will you even be able to demonstrate your point...

Are you teaching classical arabic here? I'am arab, I know classical and non-classical arabic as well.

There is no meaning of Dukhan as EVIL in classical or any arabic. Even other member also verified this.

Still you could;nt verify, is this JW's teached you?

[Apple Pie]

Sorry? We are discussing your point, where you refer tht Quran have given chapter names to devils, evils,
We are asking you which chapter it is?
Thn you reply that its chapter 44 = Evil right?

Sura 44 is just one (of many) suras named in honor of demons and the devil, brother.

In that I reply that Dukhan = Smoke. and I quoted the verse also which refer to the name of the chapter.

You forgot to define the Arabic term rendered as "smoke" brother....moreover where else does it make its appearance in your book of faith...?

[TrueReligion]

Sorry? We are discussing your point, where you refer tht Quran have given chapter names to devils, evils,
We are asking you which chapter it is?
Thn you reply that its chapter 44 = Evil right?

Sura 44 is just one (of many) suras named in honor of demons and the devil, brother.


Where is the proof? you didnt provide the meaning, the arabbic name is Dukhan, which is equal to smoke, and the verse also indicate this. where is your proof?
Also where are the other surahs which are mention in honor of demons and devils? If you could'nt provide proof now, it will be reported as offense.

In that I reply that Dukhan = Smoke. and I quoted the verse also which refer to the name of the chapter.

You forgot to define the Arabic term rendered as "smoke" brother....moreover where else does it make its appearance in your book of faith...?

Irelevant answer, not the one which was asked, Why you mention Jesus here, answer this please.

[Apple Pie]

Are you teaching classical arabic here? I'am arab, I know classical and non-classical arabic as well.

There is no meaning of Dukhan as EVIL in classical or any arabic. Even other member also verified this.

Still you could;nt verify, is this JW's teached you?

Where is your verifiable reference, brother?

[Goat]

Are you teaching classical arabic here? I'am arab, I know classical and non-classical arabic as well.

There is no meaning of Dukhan as EVIL in classical or any arabic. Even other member also verified this.

Still you could;nt verify, is this JW's teached you?

Where is your verifiable reference, brother?

He showed the passage in context.. something you did not.

I would say that is the evidence right there. Do you know what 'context' means? Do you understand that taking bits and pieces out of context to prove a point is either ignorant, dishonest or both?

[Apple Pie]

He showed the passage in context.. something you did not.

Where, brother...?

I would say that is the evidence right there.

Evidence of what?

English?

Do you know what 'context' means?

In Arabic....or in English, brother...?

Do you understand that taking bits and pieces out of context to prove a point is either ignorant, dishonest or both?

Then why do you continue to do it yourself, brother...?

[Goat]

He showed the passage in context.. something you did not.

Where, brother...?

I would say that is the evidence right there.

Evidence of what?

English?

Obviously, you do not understand what the term 'context' means. He showed the words of the Sura, and how the word was used. Something you failed to do.

Do you know what 'context' means?

In Arabic....or in English, brother...?

This is an English speaking site. Do you understand English? Do you understand
I am not your brother?

Do you understand that taking bits and pieces out of context to prove a point is either ignorant, dishonest or both?

Then why do you continue to do it yourself, brother...?

I don't. You are doing the technique known as 'Transference' where you project your faults onto others.

Now, please demonstrate you know what the term 'context' means, and show that the word means 'evil' in context. IF you do not. well, then you are just blowing smoke so to speak.

Will that mean you are evil?