The Total Lunar Tetrads Tell Us When Jesus Returns

[lvdyou]

Jesus was cursing the fig tree for having no leaves representing Israel for having no life after all He has done for them. In Matt. 24.33 Jesus says His return is "very near" after Israel becomes a nation again, branches beginning to bud (v.32), so within a lifetime of 75 years (Ps. 90.10) from 1948. No later than 2023! The 7-year Tribulation can't start any later than 2016. Jesus said the disciples could not know when He returns prior to Israel a nation again.

We are also told to look for signs in the cosmos for when the Tribulation starts. In the 6th seal, Rev. 6.12 (cf. Joel 2.31, Acts 2.20) says 3 things must occur before the Tribulation starts since the 7th seal opens up the very loud 7 trumpets of the Tribulation. The first rapture according to readiness (Rev. 3.10, Luke 21.36) is "before the throne" (7.9) in 3rd heaven before the 1st trumpet (8.7) commences the Tribulation. The resurrection is at the start of the last trumpet (11.15) which is the harvest (14.14-16) to meet the Lord in the air (1 Thess. 4.14-18).

"When he opened the sixth seal, I looked, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth, the full moon became like blood"(Rev. 6.12).

First, a great earthquake! The second greatest number of deaths occurred in Haiti 2010 and the most per capita, 1 in 27 people. The 4th or 5th greatest in magnitude occurred in Japan 2011 and was the greatest financial loss. Never before in history have two earthquakes of such massive proportions occurred back to back, year over year.

Second, a black sackcloth solar eclipse! There are 4 kinds of solar eclipses. The rarest is the Hybrid occurring about 5% of the time. There are 3 kinds of Hybrids, the rarest being the H3 about 5% of the time which finishes off as a total eclipse to produce that black sackcloth effect. The 4th long H3 since Christ is Nov. 3, 2013. It won't happen again till 2172.

Third, a red blood moon lunar eclipse! The rarest kind of lunar eclipse is the lunar tetrad. A tetrad is when there are 4 red blood moon total eclipses in a row. And it is even rarer when it lands on passover, tabernacles, and again on passover and tabernacles. Passover is the first of Israel's seven feasts representing atonement. And Tabernacles is the last feast pointing to the future millennial kingdom. The 6th Total Lunar Tetrad since Christ was 1949/50. Israel became a nation May 14, 1948 and signed the Armistice treaties in 1949. The 7th feast Tetrad was 1967/68. Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967. This is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart. The 8th Tetrad is 2014/15 and won't happen again for nearly 600 years, 2582/83. There is no unique solar eclipse next to that Tetrad way off into the future. As a double fulfillment of Daniel's prophecy, it would take seven sets of seven years from the declaration to rebuild the Temple for it to be completed. This is 17,640 days or 360 days/yr x 7 sets of 7 years (Dan. 9.25). From June 7, 1967 to Sept. 23, 2015 is also 17,460 days. This day happens to be the Day of Atonement which is 10 days after the first rapture Feast of Trumpets.

Considering these undeniable facts, the Tribulation can't start before 2015 either. Next, we need a 2,520 day period for the Tribulation since all of Daniel's sixty-nine sevens are 2,520 days each. 2,520 is the smallest number divisible by all numbers 2 to 10 as Daniel's basic working prophetic unit. This is triply confirmed since Jesus was "cut off" (Dan. 9.26) after 69 sets of seven years or 173,880 days from the declaration to rebuild the temple Nisan 1, 444 BC (Neh. 2.1). This takes us to Nisan 10, Monday, Mar. 28, 33 AD (Gregorian), the day Jesus entered Jerusalem-the first day of the four day inspection of the lamb. The 4 day inspection was Mar. 28, 29, 30, 31. Jesus was captured on Thursday, Mar. 31 then He died on the cross Nisan 14, Passover, Friday, April 1, 33 AD what Satan calls April Fool's Day. The first 4 feasts refer to atonement, Jesus set apart for three days, His resurrection, and giving the Holy Spirit. Since the last 3 feasts pertain to Jesus' second coming (rapture, salvation, millennium) and the first of those feasts deals with the first rapture (Rev. 7.9), the 2,520 day period must count down from Feast of Trumpets. There is no holiday on the 2,520th day in 2023 from Feast of Trumpets in 2016.

The 2,520th day from Feast of Trumpets Sept. 14, 2015 takes us to Sunday Aug. 7, 2022. Yet I could find no holiday on that day either until I realized when Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday it is held the day after instead. So is the case in 2022. Tisha B'Av was when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. This is of great significance because Jesus returns to reign in the 3rd Temple (2 Thess. 2.4, Rev. 11.2) for 1000 years (20.2-7) over the nations with His overcomers (2.26, 20.4-6) and a rod of iron (12.5). He returns with 10,000 of His overcomers (Jude 14,15)-the 5 wise virgins (Matt. 25.1-13). The 5 unwise virgins though saved and have eternal life which can never be lost (John 10.28) would not be included in the first rapture nor the return to reign during the 1000 years. They would be resurrected at last trumpet. This is accountability for Christians to "overcometh" mentioned 7 times in Rev. 2 & 3. Christians all overcome but not at the same time. Many Christians prefer to be tied down to the world like a balloon unwilling to be released so they shall lose this reward by being cast into outer darkness, outside the light of reward of reigning with Christ during the millennium.

Outer darkness is like being in the forest and seeing a beautifully lit cabin but not allowed to enter it until the occupants come out to take them to the mansion. Or it is like painting a house, but if you are sloppy with the paint getting it all over yourself, you will need to remove it with some solvent like gasoline which stings before you can enter the shower.

The polling system is messed up. It excluded my 5th option of "Possibly < 50%"

[Mithrae]

The reason we focus on the H3 is because it is the rarest and because it finishes off as a total eclipse whereas the H2 does not. And the reason we focus on the long instead of the short H3 is because the long is even rarer still, rarer than the short H3. God is saying that we will be able to identify the 3 events in Rev. 6.12 (great earthquake, black sackcloth sun and red blood moon) in specific order before the Tribulation starts. NASA makes the only distinction of "long and short" eclipses, not long and short and "still shorter". They do this for a specific reason, but you need to study up on that more yourself.

As I've said many times already, the H3 is not rarer than the H2 across 5000 years. You really think that lying is a good way to preach the gospel? And of course the H2 starts with a total eclipse!

While it seems counter-productive to ignore the 'godsend' of 2013 being the eighth H3 since Christ, yes I can understand that reason for focusing on the 'long' H3. But you don't seem to understand the fact that if you're specifically looking for very rare events, going on to proclaim how rare they are is not an argument. "1 in 112,000,000,000,000. Wow!"

Also, if you look at NASA's site here, you'll see a category for "Hybrid Solar Eclipses with Durations Exceeding 1 Minute 30 Seconds" and also a category for "Hybrid Solar Eclipses with Durations Exceeding 1 Minute." All eight H3 eclipses since Christ are longer than 1 minute.

"is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart," the same can be seen in the 842 and 860 tetrads.

The Tetrad in 842/43 doesn't count for it fell on Nisan 10, Tishri 11, Nisan 10, Tishri 10. These days are not passover, tabernacles, and again passover and tabernacles. Remember, we are just discussion the rarity of feast Tetrads since the first and last feast of Israel encapsulate God's redemptive design and the 7 feasts were a rehearsal of things to come. The same problem occurs with the Tetrad 860/61. So the feast Tetrads (6th since Christ in 1949/50 and 7th since Christ in 1967/68) were the first time in history two Tetrads were 18 year apart. God is saying wake up, pay attention! How more clear can His signs being before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Tribulation) with these signs (Rev. 6.12, Acts. 2.20, Joel 2.31).

Have we not been doing our research? In 1582 the calendar changed from the Julian to the Gregorian system, losing ten days in the process. I wouldn't know this if the Jewish calendar I've been using didn't make a note of it, of course But I listed the 5 'feast tetrads' prior to 1949 in my post here - where I also pointed out that two of them were indeed within 18 years of each other - and none of them or any others work without that 10-day adjustment. Again, surely you're not doing your cause any favours by just closing your eyes and yelling louder how amazingly right you are?

0842 Mar 30 04:24:21 - Pesach 7
0842 Sep 23 14:01:24 - Sukkot 7
0843 Mar 19 20:00:50 - Pesach 6
0843 Sep 12 13:47:07 - Sukkot 6

0860 Apr 09 12:04:18 - Pesach 7
0860 Oct 03 21:30:19 - Sukkot 7
0861 Mar 30 03:58:57 - Pesach 7
0861 Sep 22 21:05:29 - Sukkot 6

Israel took over Jerusalem June 7, 1967. There are 7 sets of seven 360 days or 17,640 days to Sept. 23, 2015 the Day of Atonement.

Thanks; on double-checking it, I was wrong in thinking it was June 10th. On the other hand, far as I can tell you're incorrect in saying 17,640 days forwards is September 23rd (Yom Kippur) - it's September 28th, Sukkot I. I'm sure our reading public will consider this an exercise in futility, but here we go:
7 sevens is 49 years
x 360 is 17,640 days

48x365 is 17,520
So 48 years from 1967 (2015) and 120 days (not counting leap years)

Leap years occur in...
1968, 1972, 1976, 1980, 1984, 1988, 1992, 1996, 2000, 2004, 2008, 2012
12 leap years

So the 7 sevens forwards from Six Day War is 108 days after its date, in 2015
War was June 5th to 10th (June has 30 days)

So... from June there's 20 or 25 days left...
31 days from July (51 or 56 total)
31 days from August (82 or 87 total)
108 days would be 26 days into September or October 1st

Two days forwards from June 5th of course would mean September 28th. I'm not sure if you've done your own working-out, and maybe I've gone wrong somewhere; but really I can't see where those 5 days disappeared to get the 23rd instead. Also, even aside from that, your OP refers to 2520 days from September 14th for the 'tribulation,' not September 23rd or 28th; again, this seems to be inconsistency in your theory. As much as I appreciate the opportunity to learn about eclipses and so on - and in fact I have to admit that in general terms its not a bad theory overall - the way in which it's being presented (whether by yourself or if you're simply copying from Troy Brooks) leaves a lot to be desired. If you're counting forwards 7 sevens from Israel's control of Jerusalem, which I agree with, the only possible justification is as a 'ghost' precursor to Daniel's 70th seven. No matter how convenient it may be for the 2520 days to end on Tisha B'av, consistent interpretation means that final seven must begin on Sukkot I (September 28th) of 2015. Maybe Jesus still comes down on Tisha B'av, if that idea grabs your fancy, and spends a couple of weeks proving his identity before the 75 days you reckon he'll spend re-ordering world government. But arbitrarily re-arranging dates and prophecies to fit some 'perfect' plan is neither honest nor persuasive.

You and Troy Brooks should be thankful for my researched, objective analysis instead of sycophantic agreement or ignorant dismissal

The long H3 has only happened 3 times since Christ. The 4th will occur Nov. 3, 2013 and won't happen again till 2172. The probability for it to occur after the great earthquake 2010/11 and in the year before the Tetrad 2014/15 as required to be in proper order (Rev. 6.12) is ~ 1 in 700. The probability of the two Tetrads in the 20th century on feast days is as was shown before 1/20 x 2/50 x 1/99 ~ 1/100,000. So taking all the data points, including the others mentioned in the opening post, we come to a probability of first rapture Sept. 14, 2015 and Jesus stepping down Aug. 7, 2022, comes to 1 in 112,000,000,000,000. Wow!

As it is written in the words of the angel Aziraphale:

• "I mean, you're right about the fire and war, all that. But that Rapture stuff well, if you could see them all in Heaven - serried ranks of them as far as the mind can follow and beyond, league after league of us, flaming swords, all that, well, what I'm trying to say is who has time to go round picking people out and popping them up in the air to sneer at the people dying of radiation sickness on the parched and burning earth below them? If that's your idea of a morally acceptable time, I might add.
  
  "And as for that stuff about Heaven inevitably winning . . . Well, to be honest, if it were that cut and dried, there wouldn't be a Celestial War in the first place, would there? It's propaganda. Pure and simple. We've got no more than a fifty percent chance of coming out on top. You might just as well send money to a Satanist hotline to cover your bets, although to be frank when the fire falls and the seas of blood rise you lot are all going to be civilian casualties either way. Between our war and your war, they're going to kill everyone and let God sort it out right?"

[lvdyou]

I do this by rejecting evil. Hell is evil. Hell is created by God. Thus God is evil. Therefore I reject God. Accepting God based on promise of reward would only make me selfish.

Hell is a righteous response to evil just like we have jails, for think how evil it would be to let such evil people out of jail such as yourself to harm others, e.g. rapists, thiefs and murderers. A loving God keeps you in Hell forever because of your eternal desire to be unloving and revile God and His people. Your presence in the New City would not be conducive to loving and peaceful environment. Free will is not truly free if you don't have the free choice to go to Hell. You'd be more like a robot then. God creates maximally great beings not robots to fellowship with.

Accepting God because you don't want to be a bad person is selfish? Satan really has your mentality twisted to think that. Accept what His Son did for you because this is love to pay the ransom that only God could pay washing your sins away by His precious blood to receive His gift of eternal life. And there are rewards for Christians who ovecometh, for only those who overcometh deserve to reign with Christ during the 1000 years.

[lvdyou]

As I've said many times already, the H3 is not rarer than the H2 across 5000 years. You really think that lying is a good way to preach the gospel? And of course the H2 starts with a total eclipse!

We are only just considering the time since Christ, and the H3 and H2 are equally about as rare, but we are more focused on the H3 because because it finishes off as a total eclipse, like whoever wins the race at the finishing line, so we consider the H3 more special in that regard.

While it seems counter-productive to ignore the 'godsend' of 2013 being the eighth H3 since Christ, yes I can understand that reason for focusing on the 'long' H3. But you don't seem to understand the fact that if you're specifically looking for very rare events, going on to proclaim how rare they are is not an argument. "1 in 112,000,000,000,000. Wow!"

Like I said we are looking for a unique solar eclipse as God would have us do being the long H3 which has only occurred 3 times since Christ. The 4th will be Nov. 3, 2013 and won't happen again till 2172. That's as rare as solar eclipses get right in the necessary place 2013 preceding the 2014/15 feast Tetrad. Hence these factors that add into the 112 trillion to 1 probability remain intact and unchallenged.

Also, if you look at NASA's site here, you'll see a category for "Hybrid Solar Eclipses with Durations Exceeding 1 Minute 30 Seconds" and also a category for "Hybrid Solar Eclipses with Durations Exceeding 1 Minute." All eight H3 eclipses since Christ are longer than 1 minute.

"is the first time in history two feast Tetrads were this close 18 years apart," the same can be seen in the 842 and 860 tetrads.

You misread what was said. All Hybrid's are greater than 1 minute (NASA says "all events are listed with durations exceeding 1 minute") so this is not another category. Long and short are separated by 1 min 30 secs. You will need to contact NASA for this significance of this demarcation.

In 1582 the calendar changed from the Julian.

0842 Mar 30 04:24:21 - Pesach 7
0842 Sep 23 14:01:24 - Sukkot 7
0843 Mar 19 20:00:50 - Pesach 6
0843 Sep 12 13:47:07 - Sukkot 6

0860 Apr 09 12:04:18 - Pesach 7
0860 Oct 03 21:30:19 - Sukkot 7
0861 Mar 30 03:58:57 - Pesach 7
0861 Sep 22 21:05:29 - Sukkot 6

These two feast tetrads are two of the 5 before the 20th century, and I know it is the Julian Calendar used during this time. NASA uses the Julian calendar as well for these dates. The point being is that never have two feast Tetrads been closer together than they were for 1949/50 to 1967/68 so that's as rare as it gets. It seems to me no signs will be good enough for you when God says they should be.

I was wrong in thinking it was June 10th. On the other hand, far as I can tell you're incorrect in saying 17,640 days forwards is September 23rd (Yom Kippur) - it's September 28th, Sukkot

Nope. It's definitely Day of Atonement Sept. 23, 2015. Get any calendar converter and they all agree.

No matter how convenient it may be for the 2520 days to end on Tisha B'av, consistent interpretation means that final seven must begin on Sukkot I (September 28th) 2015.

You are not thinking straight. Tabernacles in 2015 is not in focus but is in focus for 2022 because what follows is the return of Jesus in that year is the tabernacling among men. Whereas the Tribulation starts Feast of Trumpets 2015. That's proper application.

You should be thankful for my researched, objective analysis.

But you haven't contributed anything I didn't already know, and nothing you have said changes any details of the proof. I know you are trying to find something wrong with the proof, but you have failed on all attempts. This should cause you to be humble and accept the first rapture according to readiness Sept. 14, 2015 and the general resurrection Oct. 18-20, 2020 and Jesus stepping down Aug. 7, 2022 and Israel set up as the center of all nations by Oct. 21, 2022. Praise the Lord!

who has time to go round picking people out and popping them up in the air to sneer at the people dying of radiation sickness on the parched and burning earth below them? If that's your idea of a morally acceptable time, I might add.

Who has the time but God who has existed for eternity? Human beings about to destroy themselves, but God says He returns not for them, but for the sake of the elect. Don't blame God for what man does to himself. That is sick-minded of you and not taking responsibility. Accept reality.

"And as for that stuff about Heaven inevitably winning . . . Well, to be honest, if it were that cut and dried, there wouldn't be a Celestial War in the first place, would there? It's propaganda. Pure and simple. We've got no more than a fifty percent chance of coming out on top. You might just as well send money to a Satanist hotline to cover your bets, although to be frank when the fire falls and the seas of blood rise you lot are all going to be civilian casualties either way. Between our war and your war, they're going to kill everyone and let God sort it out right?"

It is cut and dried. There is supernatural war going on where God gives all beings sufficient time to repent of their sins and receive His redemptive solution. It's reality. Everyone has a 100% chance of coming out on top by simply repenting to the cross as a helpless sinner and receive the Lord Jesus as Savior. Those who are born-again are immediately given eternal life which can never be lost; nobody can take it away from those who have truly received Christ.

Your words express your convoluted way of thinking about things. Just read the Bible. His plan is clear and precise, perfectly righteous, holy and true. You nor I could make the plan better or improve on it any way whatsoever! Praise the Lord! Thank you Jesus whom created all things and nothing exists without Him having created it.

Many Christians have been martyred throughout the centuries. Those Christians who were not ready to be rceived up Sept. 14, 2015 will enter the Tribulation of which many will be martyred, but death is unable cause a person who is saved be unsaved. God keeps His elect.

Rev. 9.18 says 1/3 of the people of the earth are going to die in fire and brimstone but whether a member of the body of Christ is raptured before the Tribulation or during the Tribulation they will be raptured before the holocaust for the saints are not appointed unto wrath. The bowls of wrath are specifrically the 7 bowls contained within the last trumpet that lasts 24 months.

Hope this helps. I do appreciate your efforts, but a bit surprised you offer nothing new I haven't seen before. You come up empty handed in your efforts.

[micatala]

I do this by rejecting evil. Hell is evil. Hell is created by God. Thus God is evil. Therefore I reject God. Accepting God based on promise of reward would only make me selfish.

Hell is a righteous response to evil just like we have jails, for think how evil it would be to let such evil people out of jail such as yourself to harm others, e.g. rapists, thiefs and murderers. A loving God keeps you in Hell forever because of your eternal desire to be unloving and revile God and His people. Your presence in the New City would not be conducive to loving and peaceful environment. Free will is not truly free if you don't have the free choice to go to Hell. You'd be more like a robot then. God creates maximally great beings not robots to fellowship with.

Accepting God because you don't want to be a bad person is selfish? Satan really has your mentality twisted to think that. Accept what His Son did for you because this is love to pay the ransom that only God could pay washing your sins away by His precious blood to receive His gift of eternal life. And there are rewards for Christians who ovecometh, for only those who overcometh deserve to reign with Christ during the 1000 years.

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[lvdyou]

First, this post is primarily preaching rather than debate. Keep in mind this is a debate forum, not a platform for expressing unsubstantiated opinions.

More importantly, by suggesting another member is evil or twisted by Satan, this post is quite uncivil.

Since something can't come from nothing and the universe can't always have existed, nature needs a cause outside of itself, outside of time and space, being uncreated. This is whom God is the uncreated. And Jesus is proven to be God because nobody can find a naturalistic explanation for eyewitness testimony of the Apostles in various group settings. Therefore all is proven.

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[lvdyou]

Since Jesus is proven to be God and the gospel of salvation is true, anyone who does not come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior will spend forever in Hell.

The choice is before you now. God's given you this very choice.

[Confused]

Since Jesus is proven to be God and the gospel of salvation is true, anyone who does not come to the cross as a helpless sinner to receive the Lord Jesus as Savior will spend forever in Hell.

The choice is before you now. God's given you this very choice.

So an infant or toddler who dies before they are actually able to consciously understand such a concept and whom obviously hasn't "sinned" yet is going to hell? A CP adult who lacks the mentality to comprehend their actions as "sin" is going to hell? Is there some kind of disclaimer in scripture that gives them some sort of free pass or is this just spouting off?

[Janx]

Hell is a righteous response to evil just like we have jails, for think how evil it would be to let such evil people out of jail such as yourself to harm others, e.g. rapists, thiefs and murderers.

Hi lvdyou,

We do not torture people in jail because evil does not justify evil. Jails exist out of necessity to segregate those who are detrimental to our society. Prison also serves as a deterrent for criminal behavior. We can deter people even more by threatening to torture all murderers for ten straight years BUT such behavior would make us the same type of monsters as we are trying to prevent.

Punishment is measured in proportion to the crime NOT in proportion to the reward for something. Thus saying that Hell is justified in proportion to the reward of Heaven is false.

A loving God keeps you in Hell forever because of your eternal desire to be unloving and revile God and His people.

This is false. Torturing someone for eternity is the opposite of love.

I'm mortal thus my desire and opinion about God is not eternal. It is an eternal and barbaric punishment for a finite "crime". And what is my crime? Hurting God's feelings? Oh boo hoo...

Your presence in the New City would not be conducive to loving and peaceful environment.

If this is true. This is the fact which eludes my understanding: there are merciful solutions to dealing with unwanted souls - that is, they are simply eliminated. Why must God be a barbaric monster and torture people for eternity?

Free will is not truly free if you don't have the free choice to go to Hell. You'd be more like a robot then. God creates maximally great beings not robots to fellowship with.

Free will is limited by our choices and environment. God made this game and we play it. God made Hell knowing that people would be tortured for eternity. It was God's choice to torture people. Thus God is evil.

An alternative could have been as such: those who are good go to heaven. Those who have made mistakes pay for them and then go to heaven. Those who are evil cease to exist. Reasonable and civilized. Why can't your God be this way?

Accepting God because you don't want to be a bad person is selfish?

One should have a valid reason to love. Showing love out of fear makes for an emotionally abusive relationship. Showing love to gain gifts and reward make one a whore.

Satan really has your mentality twisted to think that. Accept what His Son did for you because this is love to pay the ransom that only God could pay washing your sins away by His precious blood to receive His gift of eternal life.

That belief is the most immoral and revolting one I know. To think that all my sins can be washed away by anthers blood is the very essence of selfishness. This is every criminal's wet dream. You get to steal your cake and eat it too for eternity.

And there are rewards for Christians who ovecometh, for only those who overcometh deserve to reign with Christ during the 1000 years.

Shrug. I hear they serve Guinness in Hell.

Cheers good sir

[lvdyou]

A child is not going to Hell because they are not of the age of accountability yet. God never gives a person more than they can handle.

A CP adult has free will and grace sufficient to have the choice. Even someone on a remote island who never heard of Jesus if he worshiped the God of the mountains and stars, rejecting the idols worshiped around him by others, he would be saved, for surely if he was presented Jesus he would accept the risen Lord.