The 144,000 in JW theology

[Wootah]

My understanding only 144,000 JWs go to heaven in total over the sum of human history.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/q ... to-heaven/

Is that correct?

There are 9 million JWs worldwide (rounded up).

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesse ... w-many-jw/

Will the vast majority of them not go to heaven and be annihilated? What happens to the JWs that don't make the 144, 000?

[myth-one.com]

I wont address your repetiton of your faulty reasoning, that has already been thoroughly debunked.

Funny.

Live forever equates to immortal

No it does not. That which is immortal lives forever but that which lives forever is not necessarily immortal.

Please name a being which lives forever, but does not fit the definition of immortal.

Thanks in advance.

[JehovahsWitness]

Please name a being which lives forever, but does not fit the definition of immortal.

Thanks in advance.

I'm not God so I am in no position to name names. However scriptures indicate faithful men and women of old may well figure amongst those who will have such a priviledge: Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Daniel , ... (compare Her 12:1) Naturally we are not presently at the end of "forever", so de can only speculate as to whether they will indeed live that long. But if they remain faithful there is no reason to believe God will not keep His promises in their regard.



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[myth-one.com]

Please name a being which lives forever, but does not fit the definition of immortal.

Thanks in advance.

I'm not God so I am in no position to name names. However scriptures indicate faithful men and women of old may well figure amongst those who will have such a priviledge: Abel, Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Daniel , ... (compare Her 12:1) Naturally we are not presently at the end of "forever", so we can only speculate as to whether they will indeed live that long. But if they remain faithful there is no reason to believe God will not keep His promises in their regard.

There is no end of forever.

The faithful men and women of old all sinned under the Old Testament Covenant, under which the wages of sin was death. And they had no Savior back then.

God's promise is everlasting life. If God promised us everlasting life, it is not something we were born with -- "conditional" or otherwise. We are not born with our reward.

In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Just because angels are not dependent on physical sustenance this does not mean they are indestructible. Satan, for example is doomed to "the second death" meaning non-existence without any hope of future life.

Absolutely wrong!

Satan is indestructible, having been created as a spiritual bodied being. His fate is to be tormented day and night forever in the lake of fire. He is the only being said to suffer that consequence. The fire will not harm him, as he is a spiritual being:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So Satan's not a valid example for you to use, as the scriptures prove you to be incorrect.

What's your next guess?

[JehovahsWitness]

Please name a being which lives forever, but does not fit the definition of immortal.

There is no end of forever.

The how can you ask me to name of someone that has got there ?

[myth-one.com]

Please name a being which lives forever, but does not fit the definition of immortal.

There is no end of forever.

Then how can you ask the name of someone that got there?

Man, woman, angels, dog, cats, . . . any ideas?

[JehovahsWitness]

Man, woman, angels, dog, cats, . . . any ideas?

Already answered. Names provided LINK
viewtopic.php?p=1054349#p1054349

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #156]

Just because angels are not dependent on physical sustenance this does not mean they are indestructible. Satan, for example is doomed to "the second death" meaning non-existence without any hope of future life.

Absolutely wrong!

Satan is indestructible, having been created as a spiritual bodied being. His fate is to be tormented day and night for ever and ever in the lake of fire. He is the only being said to suffer that consequence. The fire will not harm him, as he is a spiritual being:

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

So Satan is immortal and definitely incapable of dying -- as is every other spiritual bodied being!

There were originally two differences between man and the angels -- knowledge of good and evil and body type -- natural versus spiritual.

[Wootah]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #93]

Mahatma Gandhi comes to mind

I'm pretty sure he slept with naked women ....
https://historycollection.com/sources-c ... ndniece/2/
https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/mahatma ... ath-women/

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to myth-one.com in post #93]

Mahatma Gandhi comes to mind

I'm pretty sure he slept with naked women ....
https://historycollection.com/sources-c ... ndniece/2/
https://www.opindia.com/2020/10/mahatma ... ath-women/

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I'm am not in a position to judge him.

Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

And such were some of you: (1 Corinthians 6:9-11)

And after reading all of Paul's biblical writings, I'm fairly certain that Paul suffered from some form of compulsive behavior.

But that would make sense because God intentionally selects weaklings for his most important assignments.

Paul made a great discovery which is today part of all twelve step rehabilitation programs. That discovery was that he was not sufficiently powerful to stop the behavior on his own. He needed help from a higher authority!

[JehovahsWitness]

Satan is indestructible, having been created as a spiritual bodied being. ... Satan is immortal and definitely incapable of dying -- as is every other spiritual bodied being

So what happens to "death" which is also thrown into the lake of fire along with Satan?