Not really. Was the gospel signed or does it state John wrote this gospel?
If not, how is it determined to have been written by John?
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RESPONSE: There are four accounts of Jesus' anointing. Pick the one you like. One says just a woman, another a sinful woman , still another Lazarus' sister. Three have Jesus' head anointed, and one his feet.JehovahsWitness wrote:tam wrote: [Replying to post 18 by JehovahsWitness]
And why would Lazarus' sister, Martha, be serving the dinner at another man's house?
In should think that the women folk serving at a meal that amounted to a group feast would be completely normal at that time. I am not an expert on middle eastern custom but then I hazard a guess neither are you. The point is the picture is of the women attending to the men (including male relatives and non relatives) and it would maybe be an idea not to draw conclusions as to the bible narrative based solely on what would be socially acceptable or unacceptable in 21st century middle America.
There is nothing specifically explicit or even implicit in the text that points to Lazarus and Simon being more than two different disciples of Jesus living in the same town and attending the same event, save imposing western norms on a narrative written in a Middle Eastern context*
* Even today in many cultures when there is a special event with a number of guests non family members, especially the women join forces in cooking organizing and serving.
polonius.advice wrote:RESPONSE: There are four accounts of Jesus' anointing. Pick the one you like. One says just a woman, another a sinful woman , still another Lazarus' sister. Three have Jesus' head anointed, and one his feet.JehovahsWitness wrote:tam wrote: [Replying to post 18 by JehovahsWitness]
And why would Lazarus' sister, Martha, be serving the dinner at another man's house?
In should think that the women folk serving at a meal that amounted to a group feast would be completely normal at that time. I am not an expert on middle eastern custom but then I hazard a guess neither are you. The point is the picture is of the women attending to the men (including male relatives and non relatives) and it would maybe be an idea not to draw conclusions as to the bible narrative based solely on what would be socially acceptable or unacceptable in 21st century middle America.
There is nothing specifically explicit or even implicit in the text that points to Lazarus and Simon being more than two different disciples of Jesus living in the same town and attending the same event, save imposing western norms on a narrative written in a Middle Eastern context*
* Even today in many cultures when there is a special event with a number of guests non family members, especially the women join forces in cooking organizing and serving.
Which three are fictional and which is historical, or are they all fictional?
(My friend who is writing another bible which he claims in "God breathed" too, resolved the problem by having the person doing the anointing be a secret prostitute, the sister of Lazarus, and Jesus' head and feet were anointed.
If you want to claim all scripture is inerrant, that's about the only explanation . Alternately, you can recognize that these are just stories.)
Here's a summary of the four versions of the story:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anointing_of_Jesus
I drew no conclusions based solely upon that, as my previous posts attest, so no worries as to that. And I think you must agree that it would certainly be normal for a woman (or a man) - as the host or hostess of the house - to serve the guests in their own home. And of course there is the statement that Christ came to Bethany, where Lazarus lived. Christ came to where Lazarus lived (his home) in Bethany.JehovahsWitness wrote:tam wrote: [Replying to post 18 by JehovahsWitness]
And why would Lazarus' sister, Martha, be serving the dinner at another man's house?
In should think that the women folk serving at a meal that amounted to a group feast would be completely normal at that time. I am not an expert on middle eastern custom but then I hazard a guess neither are you. The point is the picture is of the women attending to the men (including male relatives and non relatives) and it would maybe be an idea not to draw conclusions as to the bible narrative based solely on what would be socially acceptable or unacceptable in 21st century middle America.
The disciple Christ loved is one of the twelve apostles; the disciple Christ loved is Lazarus; Lazarus one of the twelve apostles.
Peace again to you,
your servant and a slave of Christ,
tammy
I did answer the questions asked (did you?)... and no it is not off-topic because it has to do with the identity of the person who wrote the book of "John" (the very question asked even in the title of this thread).Tcg wrote: [Replying to post 23 by tam]
Isn't everyone who is arguing about who would serve at a host's house, off-topic? That was not among the two question(s) in the OP, and it seems to be a distraction from the questions polonius.advice did ask.
Why not just answer the questions asked?
How does discussing whether or not a host would serve at their own house address the OP?tam wrote:I did answer the questions asked (did you?)... and no it is not off-topic because it has to do with the identity of the person who wrote the book of "John" (the very question asked even in the title of this thread).Tcg wrote: [Replying to post 23 by tam]
Isn't everyone who is arguing about who would serve at a host's house, off-topic? That was not among the two question(s) in the OP, and it seems to be a distraction from the questions polonius.advice did ask.
Why not just answer the questions asked?
Peace to you!
Because it has to do with the author of the gospel of John. Like I said. Perhaps you did not read the entire conversation?Tcg wrote:How does discussing whether or not a host would serve at their own house address the OP?tam wrote:I did answer the questions asked (did you?)... and no it is not off-topic because it has to do with the identity of the person who wrote the book of "John" (the very question asked even in the title of this thread).Tcg wrote: [Replying to post 23 by tam]
Isn't everyone who is arguing about who would serve at a host's house, off-topic? That was not among the two question(s) in the OP, and it seems to be a distraction from the questions polonius.advice did ask.
Why not just answer the questions asked?
Peace to you!
Because the author of the gospel is one of the twelve apostles, identified also as the disciple Christ loved (Lazarus).You also claimed Lazarus was one of the twelve apostles. What does that have to do with the OP?
How exactly is any of that off-topic on a thread which asks who the gospel of "john" is?
Peace again to you.
tam wrote: Peace to you,
There is indeed ample evidence from what is written that Lazarus is the "disciple Christ loved"...
Lazarus is also named Simon. Lazarus and Simon the Leper are the same person. This is clear from what is written (and leprosy is the cause of Lazarus' death).