Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he?
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I would just say this question is one I have asked my self. So much so, I read the Tanahk Then the New testament in order. Everything seemed to "Jibe" until Acts. Then, I have lots of questions without complete answers. Although, Revelation seems to aafirm the changes. i still wonder. I do not question God, His son, or Spirit. Men, who wrote an oral tradition , much later, I do. Doesn't mean anything is wrong, But doesn't mean everything is Verbatim either.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #32I wonder who endorsed Ananias as a trustworthy person. Can we really know he was hearing from Jesus? I also wonder if we can trust the writer of this story, who clearly wasn't Ananias. Did he get the facts right? How did he know about this conversation?Checkpoint wrote:He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #33It is very clear that Paul faked the vision, the only witness of the event he quoted (Ananias) did not write anything about the event, so Paul faked the vision and also faked the witness. Right, please?OnceConvinced wrote:I wonder who endorsed Ananias as a trustworthy person. Can we really know he was hearing from Jesus? I also wonder if we can trust the writer of this story, who clearly wasn't Ananias. Did he get the facts right? How did he know about this conversation?Checkpoint wrote:He didn't declare him trustworthy or untrustworthy.paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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However, he did say this:
Acts 9:
15 But the Lord said to Ananias, “Go! This man [Paul] is my chosen instrument to proclaim my name to the Gentiles and their kings and to the people of Israel.
16 I will show him how much he must suffer for my name.�
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #34paarsurrey1 wrote:OnceConvinced wrote:There was a whole group with Saul. They all saw the bright light but were not blinded and only Saul/Paul heard the voice.Checkpoint wrote:It is very clear that Paul faked the vision, the only witness of the event he quoted (Ananias) did not write anything about the event, so Paul faked the vision and also faked the witness. Right, please?paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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Post #35brianbbs67 wrote:paarsurrey1 wrote:The voice Paul heard was meant for him not others.OnceConvinced wrote:There was a whole group with Saul. They all saw the bright light but were not blinded and only Saul/Paul heard the voice.Checkpoint wrote:It is very clear that Paul faked the vision, the only witness of the event he quoted (Ananias) did not write anything about the event, so Paul faked the vision and also faked the witness. Right, please?paarsurrey1 wrote: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he, please?
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To come out and make statement that Paul faked the vision, you have to give some evidence. We can not accept it just because yu say so.
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Did Jesus or Moses become blind when they heard voice of YHWH, please?The voice Paul heard was meant for him not others.
To come out and make statement that Paul faked the vision, you have to give some evidence. We can not accept it just because you say so.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #37Not according to scripture. But, that really means little as evidence. God disciplines us all differently.paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Did Jesus or Moses become blind when they heard voice of YHWH, please?The voice Paul heard was meant for him not others.
To come out and make statement that Paul faked the vision, you have to give some evidence. We can not accept it just because you say so.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #38brianbbs67 wrote:Not according to scripture. But, that really means little as evidence. God disciplines us all differently.paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Did Jesus or Moses become blind when they heard voice of YHWH, please?The voice Paul heard was meant for him not others.
To come out and make statement that Paul faked the vision, you have to give some evidence. We can not accept it just because you say so.
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Please quote one's source. Right, please?God disciplines us all differently.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #39I would say the entire Bible. Everyone doesn't receive the same blesssing or punishments. So, it is different for everyone how God interacts.paarsurrey1 wrote:brianbbs67 wrote:Not according to scripture. But, that really means little as evidence. God disciplines us all differently.paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Did Jesus or Moses become blind when they heard voice of YHWH, please?The voice Paul heard was meant for him not others.
To come out and make statement that Paul faked the vision, you have to give some evidence. We can not accept it just because you say so.
RegardsPlease quote one's source. Right, please?God disciplines us all differently.
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Re: Jesus did not declare Paul a trust-worthy person. Did he
Post #40No. So what? When did the Bible claim that all who speaks to God will go blind? Just because it happened to Paul doesn't mean it has to happen to everyone else God communicates with.paarsurrey1 wrote: [Replying to post 35 by Monta]
Did Jesus or Moses become blind when they heard voice of YHWH, please?The voice Paul heard was meant for him not others.
To come out and make statement that Paul faked the vision, you have to give some evidence. We can not accept it just because you say so.
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