Is Jesus mediator only for the "anointed class" of JWs?

[MissKate13]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

[2timothy316]

If true, then WHO mediates for the rest of the Jehovahs Witnesses?

The other sheep do not have a legal mediator as they are not part of the New Covenant.

I get the feeling most people do not know what a MEDIATOR is and are confusing it with INTERSESSION or intercessory prayer ( the act of praying to a deity on behalf of others, or asking a saint in heaven to pray on behalf of oneself or for others). Or maybe people are confusing the act of mediating the new covenant with dying for the whole world ie they think if a Christian is not part of the New Covenant they cannot benefit from the ransom.

Anyway, I've yet to meet anyone that knows the difference between the above and can use their BIBLE to prove the JWs position is scripturally wrong.



JW

There are those that don't know what a covenant is, mush less care about all of the different covenants mentioned in the Bible. As I look at some of the um, intense posts on this subject, I don't see anyone wanting to know more but just want to prove themselves superior.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #31]

Im looking for answers, trying to understand. If Jesus isnt your mediator, then Im wondering who is. Can you tell me?

I understand about the different covenants.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to Miles in post #5]

Whats your answer to the OP question? Does Jesus mediate for all JWs? Yes? No?

As I understand this mediation you speak of it only applies to the fortunate 144,000, and in as much as the 144,000 were chosen long ago Jesus has no JW to mediate for. So my answer is No. Jesus does not mediate for all JWs, or any JW.

But why would Jesus have to mediate anything?

"A mediator is one who mediates, that is, one who acts as an intermediary to work with opposing sides in order to bring about a settlement. A mediator attempts to influence a disagreement between two parties with the goal of resolving a dispute. There is only one Mediator between mankind and God, and that is Jesus Christ. In this article, well see why God has a dispute with us, why Jesus is our mediator, and why we are doomed if we try to represent ourselves alone before God."
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Wouldn't an omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent, omnibenevolent god already know what the best course of action would be, and therefore have no need for the input of Jesus or anyone else? . Of course he would.


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The thing is, Miles, is that sin separates all of us from God. Without a mediator, there could be no reconciliation. As you well know, Jesus atoned for our sins. Without the shedding of His blood, we would have no mediator.

My question is this. If Jesus isnt mediator for Watchtowers sheep, then I wonder who is? I have heard that the Watchtower Organization is, but I dont know if thats true.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #31]

Im looking for answers, trying to understand. If Jesus isnt your mediator, then Im wondering who is. Can you tell me?

I understand about the different covenants.

I one of the other sheep and have not agreed to any covenant with God thus there is no need for a mediator.

[2timothy316]

Without a mediator, there could be no reconciliation.

That is not what a mediator does. The reconciliation comes through the death of Christ not through his being a mediator. (1Jo 2:2; 4:10)

[2timothy316]

My question is this. If Jesus isnt mediator for Watchtowers sheep, then I wonder who is? I have heard that the Watchtower Organization is, but I dont know if thats true.

That is not true.

[MissKate13]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #31]

Im looking for answers, trying to understand. If Jesus isnt your mediator, then Im wondering who is. Can you tell me?

I understand about the different covenants.

I one of the other sheep and have not agreed to any covenant with God thus there is no need for a mediator.

Why would the 144,000 need a mediator, but you do not? Explain please.

Thanks for clarifying about the Watchtower Organization not being mediator for the sheep.

[2timothy316]

[Replying to 2timothy316 in post #31]

Im looking for answers, trying to understand. If Jesus isnt your mediator, then Im wondering who is. Can you tell me?

I understand about the different covenants.

I one of the other sheep and have not agreed to any covenant with God thus there is no need for a mediator.

Why would the 144,000 need a mediator, but you do not? Explain please.

Thanks for clarifying about the Watchtower Organization not being mediator for the sheep.

Christ's death relieved all mankind from sin and death. (Matthew 20:28) His death allows for all those that have the Earthly paradise hope to live forever. Because his death removed Adamic sin it also allows for The New Covenant, which is a promise being with Jesus as rulers and priest and has nothing to do with relieving sin and death. The Anointed that are in Heaven are in a covenant with Jesus and his Father Jehovah to be kings and priests over the earth when Jesus Christ takes control of the earth. (1 Peter 2:9 Revelation 5:10) That would include rulership over me, one of the other sheep. I have no desire to be in Heaven and rule over the earth and thus I am not part of the New Covenant. I am part of no Covenant so I don't need a mediator. What the Other Sheep needed was someone to taste death for them as a ransom. (Heb. 2:5-10)

[Eloi]

Due to the sin of our first human parents, all mankind is in a defective state in which it is impossible to have a direct relationship with Jehovah, who is Holy. Because of that, a payment was necessary that would act first on a group of people who will act as priests and help the imperfect survivors to reach that perfect state that had been lost.

Since these underpriests are also imperfect, they had to be sanctified first, in order to later be able to help the rest of humanity to reach that perfection. For this reason, Jesus is mediator first of that small group, and through them the rest of the earthly survivors will reach perfection through a work carried out by those others from heaven during the first Millennium of the Kingdom of Christ.

It is similar to the sacrifice that Aaron or the acting high priest had to make for the rest of the Levite priests, BEFORE performing another rite on behalf of the rest of Israel. The high priest had to be sanctified first, then sanctify the other priests, and thus all the priests were relatively well disposed to serve the entire nation.

Lev. 9:7 Then Moses said to Aaron: "Approach the altar and present your sin offering and your burnt offering, and make atonement in your own behalf and in behalf of your house; and present the offering of the people, and make atonement in their behalf, just as Jehovah has commanded."
... 16:6 "Aaron must then present the bull of the sin offering, which is for himself, and he will make atonement in behalf of himself and his house.

Christ's brothers will be in heaven with him during the Millennium, and while the survivors and resurrected after the Great Tribulation still have to be tested, already Christ's underpriests will be immortal. In order for them to receive their inheritance first, they must be sanctified firstly (Rev. 20:6).

[JehovahsWitness]

..There are those that don't know what a covenant is, mush less care about all of the different covenants mentioned in the Bible. ...

Exactly: You learn a lot from the questions people ask. If someone were to ask me "Which bicycles have you Jehovahs Witnesses designed for fish? " It would be clear they didn't know what a fish or a bicycles is. If they started to get all upset when we reply "None" and started screaming "Just ANSWER THE QUESTION!! I want to know , just give me an ANSWERRRR!!!" It would be clear they were in need of a good dictionary or a good psychiatrist"

Anyone that actually knew what the New Covenant is would not take issue that all Christians are not part of it. When I read "Christ isn't your mediator! Christ isn't your mediator!!" .. AlI *I* hear is ... "You have no fish bikes! You have no fish bikes! " It's kind of funny, if you think about it; but not funny enough to make me engage.

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