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Location o Christ and his co-rulers during the millenium

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Revelation 20 verse 6 speaks of Christ ruling with others for the 1,000 years. As one if Jehovahs Witnesses I understand ...

a) Jesus will rule over humans beings (not spirits) that are NOT designated as kings
b) The subjects (those not designated as kings) will live on earth
c) Jesus will not relocate from heaven to rule from a specific location on earth but will rather be in heaven ruling over the earth.

Please share your thoughts on any or all of the points. How do you understand Revelation 20:6 as regards to
a) subjects : who ir what will he rule over?
b: location where will the subjects his rule live?
c) location where will Jesus (and his co-rulers) be situated during this rule?
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Re: Location o Christ and his co-rulers during the millenium

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JehovahsWitness wrote: I apologise if you already said but...in the new heavens and the new earth..who or what will you be ruling (smal r) over? And how does that rulership differ from what preceded during the millenium? In short how will the function and position (and responsibilities) in this future consummated kingdom in Christ differ from those during the millennium?
Those are actually really good questions, JW. We can look to Adam before the fall for some kind of a hint of what's to come, but we can't know yet fully. That's what's happening, you know; God is restoring the Garden of Eden, at least figuratively speaking. The best I can do is to say:
  • We will exercise authority perfectly over all we have and are entrusted with... basically, our own personal domains, including our households and our possessions and such... and from our positions in our families, our occupations (yes, there will work to be done in the new order, but there's no way to know what that will really look like)... All this will be a reality because there will be no more sin.
In a way, I think you're right in that there will be no huge difference from the way it is (or at least should be) now. Practically speaking, that may be more true that seems possible. But for now, we are kept from doing the above (and more) anywhere close to perfectly by sin -- our own and that of others. In that way, at least, there's a night and day difference between now and what it will be like then.

Sorry to be vague if you see it that way, but these things we cannot know in this life. It's just impossible. For now we see in a mirror dimly (1 Corinthians 13:12). All we can say is that however it will really be, it will be absolutely, totally, awesome... far greater than we can possibly imagine..

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Re: Location o Christ and his co-rulers during the millenium

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myth-one.com wrote: Actually, we shall rule with our Lord and Savior...
Absolutely. I never said otherwise. But our rule (small case 'r') will still be in the context of His Rule (capital 'R'). Hey, we're seated with Him in the heavenly places now, right? So we reign with Him now, spiritually speaking. But one day our faith will be sight. What a day that will be.

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PinSeeker wrote:

We will exercise authority perfectly over all we have and are entrusted with... basically, our own personal domains, including our households and our possessions and such... and from our positions in our families, our occupations (yes, there will work to be done in the new order, but there's no way to know what that will really look like)...

Okay let me recap and you can correct the errors.


#1 In the future after the millenuim ...Christ will return

#2 He will destroy the wicked people (?) please clarify if this is not correct

#3 All consecrated Christians will be left on earth. They will spend eternity on earth (as physical flesh and blood humans ???)

#4 They will rule (small r) over their households and possessions. And have work to do.

#5 Christ and God will rule over everything as spirit persons from heaven.

Please correct and adjust for accuracy


This is what I have gleaned, I'm not saying you are saying these things , only what I maybe mistakenly understood from your posts. Please adjust correct and modify as you see fit.
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myth-one.com wrote: ..However, their home base will definitely be the good earth!
myth-one.com wrote: God is omnipresent, so "heaven" would have to be everywhere.

So what (if anything) will be the difference between the angels in terms of their permanent abode where they will spend eternity and the permanent abode where Jesus will spend eternity?
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JehovahsWitness wrote:
myth-one.com wrote: ..However, their home base will definitely be the good earth!
myth-one.com wrote: God is omnipresent, so "heaven" would have to be everywhere.
So what (if anything) will be the difference between the angels in terms of their permanent abode where they will spend eternity and the permanent abode where Jesus will spend eternity?
Born again Christians will always abide with the Lord:
...and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (I Thessalonians 4:17)
And does "permanent abode" even apply to spiritual beings who are unrestricted by physical things?

There is already the precedent of angels assigned to the earth leaving the earth:
And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)
But they were cast back down:
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. (Revelation 12:9)

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JehovahsWitness wrote:
#1 In the future after the millenuim ...Christ will return

#2 He will destroy the wicked people (?) please clarify if this is not correct

#3 All consecrated Christians will be left on earth. They will spend eternity on earth (as physical flesh and blood humans ???)

#4 They will rule (small r) over their households and possessions. And have work to do.

#5 Christ and God will rule over everything as spirit persons from heaven.

Please correct and adjust for accuracy
Some of these things I'm not sure how you have gleaned, because they have never been a part of this discussion. It seems like you are either crediting others' erroneous statements to me or... trying to sneak things in on me... or...? I'm not sure what to think, but it's very frustrating and raises questions inside my head that I don't want to be asking.

For example, Number 2... where did that come from? That was never really a part of this thread as far as I know, but even so, is what someone who advocates annihilationism would say. Maybe you are drawing this from myth-one. Or maybe you are drawing it from yourself (or Jehovah's Witnesses in general).

Okay, here are my short answers:
  • 1. Yes. Christ's return will mark the end of the Millennium, which is the Church Age. The Judgment will follow, and the kingdom will then be consummated and eternity will begin... but I thought this (at was beyond the scope of this conversation.

    2. No. Or... I guess it depends on what you mean by "destroy." But again, this seems to be beyond the scope of this conversation. The wicked -- unbelievers -- will be sent away into "outer darkness" never to return. This will most likely get myth-one's "guns" blazing again, and if so, it will be all your fault. :D

    3. Well, all heart-regenerate, believing Christians will remain on earth after the Judgment, yes, in their physical, renewed bodies. Those who have physically died will be reunited with their physical, renewed bodies. Neither group will experience the second death.

    4. Well, their households, their possessions, and have work to do... among all that goes with that; generally speaking, there will be a life to be lived. And live it we will, to the full, physically and spiritually, with in the presence of God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit, for eternity. And that is sure to get myth-one and all you Witnesses going again. Again, it's all your fault. :D

    5. The Father and the Son will rule, yes (they are one, remember, but two distinct Persons and will remain so). But only Christ will have a physical body, as has always been the case and always will be. And it will not merely be "from heaven," because at that point, heaven and earth will be one.
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[Replying to post 45 by myth-one.com]

What I mean is home base
myth-one.com wrote: ..However, their home base will definitely be the good earth!
What will be the angels home base and how, if at all, will it differ from Jesus' home base?



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MATTHEW 18:10

For I tell you that their angels in heaven always see the face of my Father in heaven.


ETERNITY ON EARTH?

LOCATION
myth-one.com wrote:
JehovahsWitness wrote:Where will all believers in Christ spend eternity?
Their home base will be the good earth.
myth-one.com wrote:And their job location will be the earth ... their home base will definitely be the good earth!
BODIES
myth-one.com wrote:Those with their names written in the book of life are born again with new, immortal, spiritual bodies.

RULERSHIP
myth-one.com wrote:They will then reign forever with the Word over the earth.
FUNCTION
myth-one.com wrote: ..., those of mankind who choose everlasting life as earthly caretakers should be less inclined to revolt.
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Feel free to correct and adjust for accuracy Is the below accurate?

1 Christ will return end and those he judges as wicked will be sent away into "outer darkness" never to return

2. All heart-regenerate, believing Christians will remain on earth after the Judgment in their physical, renewed bodies. They will rule (small r) over their households and possessions. And have work to do

4. Christ and God will rule over everything but God The Father will continue as a spirit in heaven with the angels

3. Christ will have a physical body and live ... ??? ....(see below).
QUESTION : Where* will Christ spend eternity in his physical body?

a) in heaven with his Father

b) on earth with all the heart-regenerate, believing Christians

c) he will travel between the two

d) other ___ please explain.


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* I ask because even after the Kingdom comes Jesus refered to "heaven" and "earth" so can we not conclude there will be something called heaven and another thing with a different name ...called earth ?
MATTHEW 6:10 ESV

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
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JehovahsWitness wrote: QUESTION : Where* will Christ spend eternity in his physical body?

a) in heaven with his Father

b) on earth with all the heart-regenerate, believing Christians

c) he will travel between the two

d) other ___ please explain.
e) both a and b above

As I said, earth and heaven will be one.
JehovahsWitness wrote: * I ask because even after the Kingdom comes Jesus referred to "heaven" and "earth" so can we not conclude there will be something called heaven and another thing with a different name ...called earth ?
MATTHEW 6:10 ESV

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.
This is the Lord's Prayer, JW. He was teaching us how to pray. This is how we should pray now, before He returns. Do you think differently concerning that passage? Surely not. Right now, heaven and earth are separate, but when He returns, after the Judgment, that will no longer be the case. So, to your question, no, we cannot conclude that. I guess maybe we'll just call it all "Home." :D

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[Replying to post 49 by PinSeeker]

Okay so when you said...
PinSeeker wrote:3. Well, all heart-regenerate, believing Christians will remain on earth after the Judgment, yes, in their physical, renewed bodies.


....what did you mean? In what sense will we remain on whatever you were referring to ?
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