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The UNITED NATIONS will turn against the world religions?

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  • Do you think you will always remember that Jehovahs Witnesses are the only religion on earth that believes the "wild beast" of the book of Revelation is the United Nations ?
  • Do you think you will remember that JWs alone believe the attack of Babylon the Great in the bible represents the total destruction of all religious organisations on earth and an attempt eventually to destroy that of Jehovah's Witnesses themselves ?
  • What do you think your reaction would be if one day all religions institutons* were abolished?
*individuals remaining free to practice their religion in the privacy of their own homes
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Re: The UNITED NATIONS will turn against the world religions?

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[Replying to Purple Knight in post #50]

Look, Purple Knight, all we are doing is giving the warning and hopefully causing people to understand what is going to happen on the world's scene. We aren't telling you "you better believe what we believe and convert to our faith." We're just giving out information, to help people. One reason is, so they won't be totally surprised when the U.N. dismantles all religions.

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[Replying to onewithhim in post #51]

Why would it dismantle all religions? Wouldn't it just go after the true path?

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Purple Knight wrote: Sat Nov 16, 2024 11:58 pm [Replying to onewithhim in post #51]

Why would it dismantle all religions? ...
Just to clarify we are talking about the governments (under the auspices of the United Nations) turning against and destroying the organised religions of the world.

As to their motivation , our current position is as follows ...
"We do not know what reasons the nations might give to justify their attack on Babylon the Great. They might say that the world’s religions are an obstacle to peace and that they constantly meddle in politics. Or they might say that those religious organizations have accumulated too much wealth and property. (Rev. 18:3, 7)" - The Watchtiwer 2019 10/15
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[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #53]

When looking at such a prediction, it's important to differentiate between a prediction that would happen only in the case that some crucial contentious element is correct, and one that would happen anyway.

If I say that one day, a cat will have kittens, and that proves some greater overarching belief system of mine correct, I would need a LOT of those, because cats have kittens anyway.

The UN might go after all religions anyway, because religion(s) is a force of strife, and when people disagree and both sides are religious, there's just going to be a physical fight because nobody has the guts to dare tell either side that it might be wrong. We have radical Muslims for example who think they can and should hurt and kill people because those people they hurt and kill are infidels and that makes it not only okay, but righteous. And nobody really wants to address it because to do so, we'd have to have a conversation about whether religion is okay, and nobody wants to have that conversation. The further aside people have to walk for religions, the more they have to sacrifice, the more upset they're going to get and something is going to break, anyway.

Now if we have a continuation of what seems to already be happening which is that despite Christians being currently peaceful - extremely peaceful as far as religions go - they alone are persecuted, that's much more evidence that some process not explained by the body of mundane accepted knowledge is at play. And all else equal it's not some sort of logical sin to pick the person's explanation who all along believed in some such process, and based on that, said it was going to happen.

TL;DR: If the prediction said that they're going to come for Christians, not only would that be more precise, it would be more predictive, more accurate imo, and more apt to describe an event that would happen if there really were supernatural forces described in the Bible in play.

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Purple Knight wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 1:30 pm [Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #53]

When looking at such a prediction, it's important to differentiate between a prediction that would happen only in the case that some crucial contentious element is correct, and one that would happen anyway.

Regardless of whether you deem this foreseable and predictable, it is a FACT that Jehovahs Witnesses are the only people on earth , who (thanks to our understandding of scripture) have ever announced such a thing will happen. If it were to happened, even if everyone with hindsight claim to have seen it coming, none but Jehovahs Witnesses can claim to have announced it coming, and that nearly close on a century in advance.

Anyway, my post is not to question its probability but to ask if you personally will remember the above FACT .
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 3:31 pmRegardless of whether you deem this foreseeable and predictable, it is a FACT that Jehovahs Witnesses are the only people on earth, who (thanks to our understanding of scripture) have ever announced such a thing will happen. If it were to happened, even if everyone with hindsight claim to have seen it coming, none but Jehovahs Witnesses can claim to have announced it coming, and that nearly close on a century in advance.

Anyway, my post is not to question its probability but to ask if you personally will remember the above FACT .
I said I would. I have a very good memory for who is right, and I like to give people credit because I rarely get any. Being right a lot and nobody ever remembering it when the next time comes around has left me bitter, but that bitterness has been put to positive use and that means not turning around and doing the thing I hate when it's done to me, to others.

However I'm announcing it now and I also think it will happen. I do see it coming because many (though not all) of the recipients of religious tolerance are abusing the privilege.

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Purple Knight wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:22 pm I'm announcing it now and I also think it will happen. I do see it coming because many (though not all) of the recipients of religious tolerance are abusing the privilege.

Well then our announcement has worked, you believe what we have taught you and are even joining us in spreading the word. Welcome! Maybe you should think about looking into other things Jehovah's Witnesses have announced to you, you may believe them too. ;)
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"We do not know what reasons the nations might give to justify their attack on Babylon the Great. They might say that the world’s religions are an obstacle to peace and that they constantly meddle in politics. Or they might say that those religious organizations have accumulated too much wealth and property. (Rev. 18:3, 7)" - The Watchtiwer 2019 10/15
Are the Jehovah's Witnesses saying that they are "Babylon the Great?"
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 8:03 pm
Purple Knight wrote: Mon Nov 18, 2024 7:22 pm I'm announcing it now and I also think it will happen. I do see it coming because many (though not all) of the recipients of religious tolerance are abusing the privilege.

Well then our announcement has worked, you believe what we have taught you and are even joining us in spreading the word. Welcome! Maybe you should think about looking into other things Jehovah's Witnesses have announced to you, you may believe them too. ;)
I wouldn't go that far. But I will say some people will disengage out of disgust when people who they disagree with talk sense, and that should probably be considered a sin.
William wrote: Tue Nov 19, 2024 11:42 amAre the Jehovah's Witnesses saying that they are "Babylon the Great?"
I'd like to hear the answer to this too. However, knowing this bit is in Revelations, it is going to need a lot of interpretation no matter what you think it's saying.

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Are the Jehovah's Witnesses saying that they are "Babylon the Great?"
I'd like to hear the answer to this too. However, knowing this bit is in Revelations, it is going to need a lot of interpretation no matter what you think it's saying.
I don't have an opinion on what I think it is saying. I would just like to see the answer to my question.
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