It is written in John 1:18
No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.”
And Jesus said in John 14:6-7
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6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
So if no man has seen God at any time, how do we reconcile what seems to be a contradiction? When you understand the identity of the Son of God being the very Word of God, then you will understand there is no contradiction.
It is the Word OF God that was made flesh in the man Jesus. And it is BY God’s Word and words that we get to know and see what God the Father is really like, His likes and dislikes. It is by God’s Word and words we get to see and know the will of God the Father.
In this way, by looking at the words and actions of Jesus Christ we get to see and know what The invisible God is really like.
We don’t see the outward image of God in Christ, but rather we see the inward image of God in Jesus Christ, as God was in Christ.
Colossians 1:15
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
When you understand this mystery then there is a harmony to the text without contradiction.
Peace and God bless
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #51Yes, two different entities, an apple which is different from an orange. Jesus and the True God are two different individuals (different in authority, role, position, age and power)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:09 amIt proves that there two on the table, apple and orange.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:02 amSo? If I say there is an apple AND an orange on the table, does that prove the apple is the orange?
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Re: No man has seen God at any time
Post #52So, what's the used of and?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:10 amYes, two different entities, an apple which is different from an orange. Jesus and the True God are two different individuals (different in authority, role, position, age and power)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:09 amIt proves that there two on the table, apple and orange.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:02 amSo? If I say there is an apple AND an orange on the table, does that prove the apple is the orange?
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Post #53To prove that Jesus and The True God (YHWH) are not the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:12 amSo, what's the used of and?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:10 amYes, two different entities, an apple which is different from an orange. Jesus and the True God are two different individuals (different in authority, role, position, age and power)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:09 amIt proves that there two on the table, apple and orange.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:02 amSo? If I say there is an apple AND an orange on the table, does that prove the apple is the orange?
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Post #54But they are the two on the table, just like your example?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:18 amTo prove that Jesus and The True God (YHWH) are not the same.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:12 amSo, what's the used of and?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:10 amYes, two different entities, an apple which is different from an orange. Jesus and the True God are two different individuals (different in authority, role, position, age and power)Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:09 amIt proves that there two on the table, apple and orange.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:02 amSo? If I say there is an apple AND an orange on the table, does that prove the apple is the orange?
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Post #55JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:18 am
To prove that Jesus and The True God (YHWH) are not the same.
Yes, so? So What? What is your point?
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Post #56One true God and Jesus Christ. (1John5:20)JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:26 amBut they are the two on the table, just like your example?JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:18 am
To prove that Jesus and The True God (YHWH) are not the same.
Yes, so? So What? What is your point?
Remember two on the table.
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Post #57Yes, nobody is suggesting that Jesus Christ and his Father Jehovah (YHWH) don't make two different individuals that both live in heaven.
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Post #58Yes, and they are true God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:31 amYes, nobody is suggesting that Jesus and his Father Jehovah (YHWH) don't make two different individuals that both live in heaven.
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Post #59but that's not what Jesus said, he said one is JESUS (sent by God) that's like the orange AND one (another different one) is THE ONE TRUE GOD (that's like the apple). So Jesus didn't say there are two both the true God. Please read below...
JOHN 17:3
This means everlasting life, their coming to know you, the only true God, and the one whom you sent, Jesus Christ.
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Post #60True God is said to Jesus in 1John5:20.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:46 ambut that's not what Jesus said, he said one is JESUS (sent by God) that's like the orange AND one (another different one) is THE ONE TRUE GOD (that's like the apple). So Jesus didn't say there are two both the true God.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:39 amYes, and they are true God.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 5:31 amYes, nobody is suggesting that Jesus and his Father Jehovah (YHWH) don't make two different individuals that both live in heaven.