Does God have a favorit race of people?

[SanMan]

Hello Everybody,
I'm new to this forum and I’ve been doing some thinking. And I want your thoughts on this too. This is for all you people who believe in God. If you don’t really believe in God you might not want to waste your time on this stuff. You might wanna pursue something else that’s worthwhile to you. Does God favor one race over another? Hmm? That’s a good question to ask yourself. Isn’t it?
I pose this question because it’s pretty evident that there are differences in the races. This spectrum of the races ranges all the way from the Whites to the blacks. It varies greatly. Oh yes, God is a god of variety. Variety is the spice of life. Right? I think God may have done it this way not only to make life interesting but also to show his great range. Wouldn’t you say? I’m a black guy and am 48 now. This reminds me of something some white guy was telling me 15 or 20 years ago. He was telling me that all the different races had their own vibrations frequency. And that the higher the frequency the more intelligent and good looking and classier and whatever else they are. In short the better you are. Then he said that White people had the highest vibration frequency and that blacks had the lowest frequency. Now at the time I wasn’t trying to hear none of that. That was a bunch of stupidness I thought. And who the heck does he think he is. The arrogant S.O.B. Thinking he’s better than me.
Now years later after some not so great experiences and having a little time to digest things and reflect I guess I sort of agree with him a little bit. I don’t know about the vibrations bit but there is a natural difference emanating from the genes of the races I think. Like I was telling this White pastor friend of mine when I was living in Spokane, WA. If you really look all throughout history, what race of people would you say was the most blessed race of all the races? The White race. Right? They had (and still do mind you) the best of everything. And in great abundance too. They were the pioneers in everything. They also dominated the other races. Whether it be enslaving them or taking their land or what have you. So I submit to you that God does bless or favor one race of people more so than any other. And there’s also a hierarchy of the races involved too. Whites at the top. Blacks at the bottom. Now don’t get me wrong guys after looking at the big picture I think it’s a perfectly designed scenario. Now I might not be the most ecstatic person in the world about it because the role I play in this movie is not the lead role. I’m actually more akin to one of the dare I say it …ahem… bad guys. Now whenever I suggest to a black person that Whites are …and I hate to use this term… “better� than blacks and that that’s the way God designed it. They get like I was 15 or 20 years ago and just ain’t goin for it. No way. No how. I never did ask a White person that though. But I suspect I know how they’ll respond based on what I’ve seen on film interviews and also what I’ve read. But that’s just a suspicion. I really would like to get your opinions on this question though. Regardless of what race you are. So please tell everybody what you think about this and your age and what race you are. Ok?


Remember now:

1) Do you think that God has blessed or favored one race of people more than the others?
2) If so which race has he blessed more so than any other?
3) How old are you?
4) What race do you belong to?


Thanks.

[otseng]

Deu 28:68 And the LORD shall bring thee into Egypt again with ships, by the way whereof I spake unto thee, Thou shalt see it no more again: and there ye shall be sold unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen, and no man shall buy [you].

After reading this, I'm unclear to your position. Are you saying this literally has happened? If so, when?

Yes this prophecy by Moses literally happened. The word Egypt in the verse meaning is Bondage... It happened about 400 years ago it was known as the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Atlantic_Slave_Trade

OK, some problems I see.

Even if Egypt means bondage, it does not necessarily mean bondage as slaves from Africa into the Americas.

And if Egypt means "bondage", then it doesn't make sense in the prior verses in the same chapter.

Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

Deu 28:60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

Verse 64 says they will be scattered all over the Earth.

Deu 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, [even] wood and stone.

But, the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade only brought slaves over from Africa, not all over the world.

Also, you implied that they came from Egypt. But verse 68 says "into Egypt", not "out of Egypt". Also, "most enslaved people were shipped from West Africa and Central Africa", not from Egypt.

Also, last part of verse 68 says, "and no man shall buy [you]." Clearly this does not apply to slaves sold in the New World since people bought the slaves.

So, just based on the Biblical text, the interpretation of Deut 28:68 referring to the children of Israel with the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade has no merit.

And if we consider history, culture and genealogy, there is also no support for your interpretation.

[kourvoisier]

Yes this prophecy by Moses literally happened. The word Egypt in the verse meaning is Bondage... It happened about 400 years ago it was known as the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade --> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans_Atlantic_Slave_Trade

OK, some problems I see.

Even if Egypt means bondage, it does not necessarily mean bondage as slaves from Africa into the Americas.

And if Egypt means "bondage", then it doesn't make sense in the prior verses in the same chapter.

Deu 28:27 The LORD will smite thee with the botch of Egypt, and with the emerods, and with the scab, and with the itch, whereof thou canst not be healed.

Deu 28:60 Moreover he will bring upon thee all the diseases of Egypt, which thou wast afraid of; and they shall cleave unto thee.

Buy a copy of the Strong's Concordance of the Bible and find out what Egypt meant in that verse... In Hebrew... It didnt mean literally back into the nation of Egypt...

Verse 64 says they will be scattered all over the Earth.

Deu 28:64 And the LORD shall scatter thee among all people, from the one end of the earth even unto the other; and there thou shalt serve other gods, which neither thou nor thy fathers have known, [even] wood and stone.

But, the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade only brought slaves over from Africa, not all over the world.

so called "Africans" who were on the slave ships were sold all over the world... Europe, South America, North America, Central America, Africa, Middle Eastern(Asia) all over the world! a very good portion of them went to America but the so called "Africans" sold during the slave trade were sold everywhere my friend... So that accusation is incorrect.

Also, you implied that they came from Egypt. But verse 68 says "into Egypt", not "out of Egypt". Also, "most enslaved people were shipped from West Africa and Central Africa", not from Egypt.

I never "implied" that they came direclty from Egypt please show me where i said this??? Arabs rounded the Jews up into slavery as well as the Africans... and sold us primarily to the occupants of the new world...

Listen to Joel tell u about the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade!

See Joel 3:2
I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land. (is the land of Israel currently Parted??? Yup Palestinians and so called Jews, etc.)

And they have cast lots for my people; and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink.( did not the so called "white man" cast lots for my people")

4Yea, and what have ye to do with me, O Tyre, and Zidon, and all the coasts of Palestine? will ye render me a recompence? and if ye recompense me, swiftly and speedily will I return your recompence upon your own head;

5Because ye have taken my silver and my gold, and have carried into your temples my goodly pleasant things:

6The children also of Judah and the children of Jerusalem have ye sold unto the Grecians, that ye might remove them far from their border.

These verses explain to you the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade...

Also, last part of verse 68 says, "and no man shall buy [you]." Clearly this does not apply to slaves sold in the New World since people bought the slaves.

Dont take part of the verse my friend u must include all of the verse clearly the first part of the verse says "and there ye shall be SOLD unto your enemies for bondmen and bondwomen and no man shall buy you"

We were not bought out of slavery my friend... we were in slavery until we became completely destroyed mentally and completely forgotten who we truly are... lose all heritage... then the Lord had good ole Abe Lincoln "ABOLISH" slavery... Doesnt sound like anybody bought us out of slavery does it??? So throw this comment out too its incorrect...

So, just based on the Biblical text, the interpretation of Deut 28:68 referring to the children of Israel with the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade has no merit.

so when did this happen? cnorman agreed that this was a prophecy... I showed you where Daniel confirmed the prophecy was in motion... when did this happen???

And if we consider history, culture and genealogy, there is also no support for your interpretation.

history? what history you have to show me?
culture? the prophecies state the jews will be scattered worshipping other Gods... (fake distorted manipulated christianity religion and the likes)
genealogy? dont be fooled by this crafty counsel against thy hidden ones...

[micatala]

Moderator Intervention

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I am exposing everybit of this nonsense you guys talk...

I am exposing the truth on this site whether you like it or not...

cnorman has been exposed... if you continue on you will be exposed too so stop while you still have your dignity...

For some crazy reason you all want to continue down the road of KHAZARS but dont wanna get into the scriptures... because you know you will be exposed...

I have yet had anyone to interpret the scriptures i put forth in any other way...
I will not respond to anymore KHAZAR comments that never was my case and is very minor to what i have posted here...

The comments here are getting into the realm of the personal. There is no reason to impugn the dignity of other members of the forum or impute "Khazar" viewpoints to them that they do not state themselves.


Also, please be aware that forum rules ask that claims be substantiated. We typically let posters challenge each other to provide evidence, but repeated refusal to provide evidence for claims can draw moderator attention.

[kourvoisier]

Moderator Intervention

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I am exposing everybit of this nonsense you guys talk...

I am exposing the truth on this site whether you like it or not...

cnorman has been exposed... if you continue on you will be exposed too so stop while you still have your dignity...

For some crazy reason you all want to continue down the road of KHAZARS but dont wanna get into the scriptures... because you know you will be exposed...

I have yet had anyone to interpret the scriptures i put forth in any other way...
I will not respond to anymore KHAZAR comments that never was my case and is very minor to what i have posted here...

The comments here are getting into the realm of the personal. There is no reason to impugn the dignity of other members of the forum or impute "Khazar" viewpoints to them that they do not state themselves.


Also, please be aware that forum rules ask that claims be substantiated. We typically let posters challenge each other to provide evidence, but repeated refusal to provide evidence for claims can draw moderator attention.

This is nonsense... i said the word KHAZAR one time... go back and read! all of you... so for you all to continue down this KHAZAR road is simply childish... Get it over it move on... address the real issue here...

[Cathar1950]

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I am exposing everybit of this nonsense you guys talk...

I am exposing the truth on this site whether you like it or not...

cnorman has been exposed... if you continue on you will be exposed too so stop while you still have your dignity...

For some crazy reason you all want to continue down the road of KHAZARS but dont wanna get into the scriptures... because you know you will be exposed...

I have yet had anyone to interpret the scriptures i put forth in any other way...
I will not respond to anymore KHAZAR comments that never was my case and is very minor to what i have posted here...

And here you are responding again.

This is nonsense... i said the word KHAZAR one time... go back and read! all of you... so for you all to continue down this KHAZAR road is simply childish... Get it over it move on... address the real issue here...

You keep using this as an excuse as you have been asked over and over to give the sources of your misreading and reinterpretation of the Hebrew writings and why you draw your rather cultish conclusions.

You have not exposed anything except some of your sources of indoctrination, now we wan the other sources. What is so hard about that?
It has not been determine rather you show any “truth� and from you reading of the writings you have a cultish esoteric reading of the writings that has nothing to do with the intent of any of the writings original or evolved purposes and by selectively reading passages and attributing them to something that occurred 400 year ago to slaves is not only preposterous but, in my opinion, sounds a little bit crazy. You do show how this happens that the writings have been reinterpreted over the centuries and become exaggerated rationalizations for many held beliefs no matter how disconnected they might be and how they become authentic to the believers even when they are reworked, invented, misinterpreted, edited, redacted and selectively read.

As I see it the only one here in danger of losing their dignity is you and your outlandish claims.
If you having seen these writings or passages taken out of context and reinterpreted put forth in any other way then either you have not read enough or you have ignored everything.

[McCulloch]

Here is an excerpt of the original original claim:

Well if these Jews are not the real Jews then who the hell are they??? Lets find out.
Do a little research on the "Khazars" the most elite of these people are your Rothschilds your Rockefellers ok... You know they call themselves "Jews" right. Yeah but guess what? these people rule the world and created our current banking system which is rapidly becoming the "mark of the beast" cashless society but that is another story and yes the so called "Jews" are behind that.

According to the rules of debate, kourvoisier has been challenged to support this claim. However, instead of backing up his claim, he now tells the other debaters to move on. In honorable debate, if a debater is unwilling or unable to support the claims he has made, he is required to withdraw the claim in question. I have seen neither support nor a withdrawal of this claim.

I strongly suspect that the reason this claim has been challenged is that the other debater knows that the only support for this link between Khazars and Jews comes from hateful anti-Semitic sources.

[kourvoisier]

Here is an excerpt of the original original claim:

Well if these Jews are not the real Jews then who the hell are they??? Lets find out.
Do a little research on the "Khazars" the most elite of these people are your Rothschilds your Rockefellers ok... You know they call themselves "Jews" right. Yeah but guess what? these people rule the world and created our current banking system which is rapidly becoming the "mark of the beast" cashless society but that is another story and yes the so called "Jews" are behind that.

According to the rules of debate, kourvoisier has been challenged to support this claim. However, instead of backing up his claim, he now tells the other debaters to move on. In honorable debate, if a debater is unwilling or unable to support the claims he has made, he is required to withdraw the claim in question. I have seen neither support nor a withdrawal of this claim.

I strongly suspect that the reason this claim has been challenged is that the other debater knows that the only support for this link between Khazars and Jews comes from hateful anti-Semitic sources.

I am not into "anti-Semitic" sites I know of none... lol so its funny you all continue to bring this up...

For the sake of you guys getting over it I will "withdraw the claim" about the KHAZARS for the simple fact i do not wish to dig into it deeper... I cant change your mind and i wish not to prove it to you b/c frankly i can care less... Its not worth my time... But when it comes to the scriptures i stick to every word and willing to back up every claim with the scriptures...

You claim that I represent some form of cult... but I laugh at this nonsense... I have clearly brought out points that you cannot deny i welcome you to contend anything i have said with your own interpretations...

I never claimed to be apart of any cult - whether it be christian, muslim, black hebrew, or whatever you have chosen to label me as...

I ask you all to look at what i have wrote and prove me otherwise at this point no one has been able to do this...

NO one has broken down my claims

cnorman was exposed...
Furthermore "otseng" terrible attempt didnt even come close... All of you great "SCHOLARS" somebody surely here can tear this down... I am waiting patiently...
If what i have sayed is completely out of context... You please break it down and let me know... Like i said before Im all Ears!!!

[Jester]

Moderator Comment

This is nonsense...

As per the rules, challenges to moderator actions should be made via Private Message.

[McCulloch]

I am not into "anti-Semitic" sites I know of none... lol so its funny you all continue to bring this up...

We might take your word for that. Or you could prove you speak the truth, by letting us know where you got the Khazar nonsense.

For the sake of you guys getting over it I will "withdraw the claim" about the KHAZARS

Thank you. That didn't hurt too much, did it.

You claim that I represent some form of cult... but I laugh at this nonsense... I have clearly brought out points that you cannot deny i welcome you to contend anything i have said with your own interpretations...

Others have claimed that you are associated with some cult, but not me. I am not sure I know what a cult is.

I personally do not care whether what you say can be supported by Holy Scripture or not. I do not believe in any gods nor in any revelation from God. But, for what it is worth, you might be a bit more convincing if you could show that you are not the only person who reads into those passages what you do. The Bible is one of the most studied books ever. Certainly there must be others who share your understanding. I find myself extra skeptical about people with singular uniquely new understandings about any topic.

[otseng]

cnorman was exposed...

You seem to like saying people are "exposed" a lot. What exactly has been "exposed"? If anything, the consensus around here is that what is revealed is that you fail to adequately support the far-flung claims that you make.

NO one has broken down my claims

Anyone can make a claim, no matter how wild it is. The difficult part is giving evidence and clear logical arguments to support that claim. You have yet to give any convincing arguments apart from a few verses taken out of context to support your case.

Furthermore "otseng" terrible attempt didnt even come close...

I believe I did enough to counter your claim. There is no need to spend much more time to disprove something that even hasn't been adequately proven.