Humpty Dumpty

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Sat May 13, 2017 8:21 am

"When I use a word it means just what I choose it to mean" (Humpty Dumpty in 'Through the Looking Glass' by Lewis Carroll).

Those who deny the Trinity often employ the same rational as Humpty Dumpty in their approach to defining the words of the Bible. Since the proper definitions refute their doctrine they resort to attacking the meanings of the biblical words as found in the lexicons.
What they offer is simply their opinion of what they think the words ought to mean in accordance with their beliefs.
"The Bible is inspired not the lexicons" is a claim so often made. What is ignored is that the words of the Bible are to be properly defined otherwise like Humpty Dumpty words can simply mean anything we want them to. Communication will inevitably break down.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:08 am

Faber wrote: Support your use of the word. Define it and tell why it is properly placed in your sentence.

You don't approve of the lexicons I cite so I am not going to accept how you employ the words you use.

There's a difference between using a word and referencing a source as authoritative.

Faber wrote: Two can play this game of constantly asking for proof even though sources have been given.

I acknowledge that you provided sources for your arguments. I'm now asking why these sources are to be considered authoritative? If you're going to resort to the childish tactic of demanding proof of literally every word I use as an act of desperation then so be it. I'm not going to entertain that desperation.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:10 am

What I have supplied says one thing but you (without any sources) insist they are wrong.

Paul wrote that there was a time when he put away childish things (1 Corinthians 13:11).

I strongly suggest you do the same.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:11 am

Faber wrote: What I have supplied says one thing but you (without any sources) insist they are wrong.

I never insisted they are wrong. I merely asked you to give me a reason to believe they are right.

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:14 am

And I am asking why you employ the words you do.

You have been on this forum for 4 years about debating Christianity. During that time you should have made yourself aware of the importance of several Greek lexicons concerning the New Testament.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:17 am

Faber wrote: And I am asking why you employ the words you do.

You have been on this forum for 4 years about debating Christianity. During that time you should have made yourself aware of the importance of several Greek lexicons concerning the New Testament.

Look I'm not going to play this game. Do you have any scripture (Greek or otherwise) that states Jesus is God?

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:18 am

The one who supplies no proof is asking for proof.

Justin108 · Post by **Justin108** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:20 am

Faber wrote: The one who supplies no proof is asking for proof.

I'll take that as a no

Faber · Post by **Faber** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 3:22 am

Define "take."

OnceConvinced · Post by **OnceConvinced** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 5:13 pm

Faber wrote: Your opinion against the BDAG (3rd Edition)?

What a joke.

Above slur adds nothing to the debate

Faber wrote: What I have supplied says one thing but you (without any sources) insist they are wrong.

Paul wrote that there was a time when he put away childish things (1 Corinthians 13:11).

I strongly suggest you do the same.

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Elijah John · Post by **Elijah John** » Wed Jun 07, 2017 6:29 pm

Faber wrote: The one who supplies no proof is asking for proof.

The burden of proof is on the one making the affirmative and/or the absolute claime. You have attempted to do so, but it has not been very convincing