Location o Christ and his co-rulers during the millenium

[JehovahsWitness]

Revelation 20 verse 6 speaks of Christ ruling with others for the 1,000 years. As one if Jehovahs Witnesses I understand ...

a) Jesus will rule over humans beings (not spirits) that are NOT designated as kings
b) The subjects (those not designated as kings) will live on earth
c) Jesus will not relocate from heaven to rule from a specific location on earth but will rather be in heaven ruling over the earth.

Please share your thoughts on any or all of the points. How do you understand Revelation 20:6 as regards to

a) subjects : who ir what will he rule over?
b: location where will the subjects his rule live?
c) location where will Jesus (and his co-rulers) be situated during this rule?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 23 by myth-one.com]

myth, you still did not comment on the post where I asked you your opinion on God's original purpose for the earth. If that idea is too complex, or you don't remember what it was, read the scriptures that I cited.

Also, if there will be no humans left on the earth, in your estimation, what do the following scriptures mean?

1) Isaiah 11:6-9: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid;...and a little child shall lead them....They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea."

Christians born again of the Spirit become spiritual children of God:

Didn't you say no humans would be left on the earth? (Post # 23.) You say that all Christians will become spirit children of God? Then how do you reconcile those thoughts with Isaiah 11:6-9? It says that animals will live in this newly refreshed earth, and there is not one inkling in the Scriptures that animals will be in heaven. This Scripture obviously speaks of life on Earth when the Messiah rules, as in indicated by the previous verses.

Do you want to reconsider your viewpoint of Isaiah 11?

[JehovahsWitness]

....a fully redeemed, sin-free earth, ...We might then call it 'paradise,' or 'home,' or even 'New Eden.'

Emphasis MINE


Okay so we wont call it a "paradise earth" but shall we'll call it sin-free earth that is paradise. Would you agree with that description (since that keeps the word "paradise" from being next to the word "earth")?

In the Septuagint, the Hebrew word for "garden" was usually translated by the Greek paradeisos. In Genesis 2"3 paradeisos refers to the original Garden of Eden (lit., "delight").

[myth-one.com]

Didn't you say no humans would be left on the earth? (Post # 23.)

Yes. After the last human not written in the book of life experiences their second death, that will be the end of mankind.

The purpose of mankind will be over.

You say that all Christians will become spirit children of God?

Yes, spiritual children of God. Simply stating the scriptures.

Then how do you reconcile those thoughts with Isaiah 11:6-9? It says that animals will live in this newly refreshed earth, and there is not one inkling in the Scriptures that animals will be in heaven. This Scripture obviously speaks of life on Earth when the Messiah rules, as in indicated by the previous verses.

What's to reconcile?

Of course animals will continue to live on the earth and perhaps on billions of other planets.

But human animals will no longer exist.

Do you want to reconsider your viewpoint of Isaiah 11?

No.

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You failed to address my one question to you in Posting #29.

It's critically important that you understand these scriptures in order to know the true purpose and timing of mankind.

Here is the question once again:

Can you explain the following two scriptures?

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (Genesis 1:1-2)

And:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to post 63 by myth-one.com]

So the spirits, with earth as their home base, will look after the animals (possibly the plants) for all eternity? Ocassionally visiting heaven. I think that sounds quite nice (except for the part about Jesus never again being a permanent resident of the heavens, which sounds unjust)


JW

JOHN 17:5

And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 11 by myth-one.com]

So, myth, have you abandoned all thought concerning the original purpose for the creation of the earth and humans upon it? (Genesis 1:28 and 2:15; Psalm 115:16; Isaiah 45:18)

Do you think God changed His mind about it, or will His original purpose be fulfilled?

And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

And the Lord God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it.

The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord's: but the earth hath he given to the children of men.

For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and there is none else.

The earth was not created originally for mankind.

A host of angels lead by Satan were the original caretakers of the earth.

We humans are "Plan B" created in the re-creation of a decimated earth caused by the rebellion of the original caretakers.

This re-creation begins in Genesis 1:3.

Yes, mortal man was commanded to care for and replenish the earth as the above verses state.

This is as training to become everlasting spiritual beings who will replace the original angelic caretakers who rebelled against God in their first estate:

And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day. (Jude 1:6)

The angels were created as immortal spiritual bodied beings.

These lower beings (mankind) must respect and believe in the Son of God as a prerequisite to becoming a spiritual being which lives forever.

Having tasted earthly life, those of mankind who choose everlasting life as earthly caretakers should be less inclined to revolt.

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Can you explain the following two scriptures?

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. (Genesis 1:1-2)

And:

And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. (Genesis 1:31)

Myth, if the original caretakers of the earth were not humans but angels, why does the scripture say that those original caretakers were made of "the dust of the earth"? Physical flesh is made up of atoms that are listed on the chart of the elements that we studied in school. I don't think angels are made of physical elements, do you? Didn't God make physical Adam before Satan persuaded Eve to rebel? So Satan wasn't on the scene until after Adam and Eve disobeyed. So it looks like humans were Plan A.


If God wanted us to be spirit beings, reasonably, wouldn't he have created us that way? Why was there a physical earth at all? Spirit beings can be "tested" as to their loyalty. Satan and a bunch of other angels turned against Jehovah and were eventually cast out of heaven to wait in dense spiritual darkness until they are cast into the abyss for 1,000 years. So it's obvious that even spirit beings can be tested as to their loyalty.

And where does it say that angels were created as immortal beings? It doesn't say that anywhere. In fact it says that Jesus Christ was the ONLY immortal being in all the universe (I Timothy 6:16), besides, of course, God.

Now you say that mankind can choose to be earthly caretakers. Just how long will they live on Earth?


You say that no physical body can live forever. Where does that idea come from? What scripture backs up that statement?

Don't you glean from Genesis chapters 1-3 that God meant for humans to live forever? The only reason they died was because they rebelled against him. As long as physical humans respect and obey Jehovah, they will live. Doesn't Psalm 37:29 say that the righteous will live on the earth forever?


Thank you for your responses.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 45 by myth-one.com]

myth, you also say that Jude 6 refers to angels leaving the earth, "their own proper dwelling place." Actually Jude tells us that the angels forsook heaven, which is their proper dwelling place, as we can see when we look at Genesis chapter 6. The angels began noticing physical women and left heaven to choose wives for themselves. These angel-human hybrids were the Nephilim---wicked giants.

When Jehovah said that man's days "will amount to 120 years," he was telling Noah that it would be 120 years until the Flood. So Noah had that amount of time to build the ark. It couldn't have been the extent of men's lives, because even Noah lived for another 350 years after the Flood, to a total of 950 years.

[onewithhim]

Didn't you say no humans would be left on the earth? (Post # 23.)

Yes. After the last human not written in the book of life experiences their second death, that will be the end of mankind.

The purpose of mankind will be over.

But didn't you say that there will be humans living on the earth, if they so choose? So how can there be no more humans?


You asked me to explain Genesis 1:1,2 and verse 31.

Genesis 1:1,2: When God decided to create physical things, he created the universe, including the planet Earth. At first it was just a dark hunk of elements, but God's Spirit moved about over the surface.

Genesis 1:31: After he created everything, including physical humans, he was satisfied with everything. He said it was all "very good."

Did I leave anything out?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to post 63 by myth-one.com]

So the spirits, with earth as their home base, will look after the animals (possibly the plants) for all eternity? Ocassionally visiting heaven.

Where are you getting this?

Spirits (created when believers are born again of the Spirit) will replenish and care for the entire earth.

I think that sounds quite nice (except for the part about Jesus never again being a permanent resident of the heavens, which sounds unjust)

Jesus was mortal and died.

The Word is immortal.

JW

JOHN 17:5

And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.

Thanks, you just quoted the verse where the man Jesus Christ requests God the Father to "glorify Him" back as the spiritual bodied Word in God's presence where He was before He became the Word made flesh.

Glad we can agree that the Word made flesh no longer exists!

You're making progress.

Good for you!

[onewithhim]

[Replying to post 68 by myth-one.com]

You haven't replied to all of my questions. I can't keep discussing this if you don't answer them, because I forget just what was said and where. Please go through my posts and answer my questions. I will appreciate it immensely. I try to answer all of your questions and respond to your thoughts.

[myth-one.com]

Myth, if the original caretakers of the earth were not humans but angels, why does the scripture say that those original caretakers were made of "the dust of the earth"?

It doesn't!

Please quote scripture to prove that claim.

And where does it say that angels were created as immortal beings? It doesn't say that anywhere.

Speaking of those who shall inherit the Kingdom of God in the world to come, Jesus states:

Neither can they die any more, for they are equal unto the angels... (Luke 20:36)

Angels cannot die. Thus, they are are immortal.

In fact it says that Jesus Christ was the ONLY immortal being in all the universe (I Timothy 6:16), besides, of course, God.

Jesus Christ was made to be "a little lower than the angels," exactly as man was created!

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honor; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. (Hebrews 2:9)

What is man, that thou art mindful of him? ...For thou hast made him a little lower than the angels, (Psalm 8:4-5)

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

So Jesus was a man, and men are lower that the angels in that they die!